5 lost hikers found by sheriff's helicopter in Modjeska Canyon (NBR)

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The hikers were using trails near Santiago Peak that were open to the public, Jansen said. No citations will be issued.
 
It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who venture into the wilderness completely unprepared. I've come across people miles from a trailhead without a map, compass, food, water, extra clothing, or any idea of how to deal with emergencies should their outing go bad.

Fortunately this group made it out okay. If the county sends them a bill for the rescue costs: good.
 
So how does a helo rescue cost get covered? Did the hikers call 911? I recently saw a link here to a mt bike association that offered helo insurance. Just wondering how it works. Maybe thats one reson why CA is in the red.
 
As a taxpayer, if something were to happen to me where they needed to call in a helo. Why should I get a bill? I already pay my bill every day/month/year. That's like saying whenever I call the cops I should get a bill for them having to take the time to help me with whatever it is I called them about. Whatever.
 
How hard is it to STOP...turn around...and go back the way you came BEFORE you become completely lost?
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i do a fair amount of canyoneering in the san gabriels in LA county. i've actually called 911 for the helicopter for a couple of guys stuck on the side of a cliff.

anyway, in LA, as i have heard in the canyoneering community, they don't charge you if you are a resident of LA county (i.e. you're paying for it via taxes). if you are a non-resident of LA county, they bill your county. then it becomes a question of whether your county bills you to re-coup the cost. or so i have heard...

not sure how OC works.
 
What a disaster. One got leg cramps and needed to call 911! Leg cramps can be fatal or worse.

They should pay for the "rescue".
 
Chopper Reed said it best, "harden the F*%^ up!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmXri8ZCKjc

jonathan_sykes81 - Tax payers dollars should not be spent on these rescues. It is your choice to put yourself at risk. Don't play if you can't pay. I don't want my tax dollars being spend on helo rescues for every confused teenager that doesn't feel like walking out the same way they came in. No wonder CA is in the Red.
 
I recently saw a link here to a mt bike association that offered helo insurance.

Colorado has back country rescue insurance and parts of Northern and Central CA have helicopter rescue insurance for medical reasons. Quick Google search brings up some interesting info. To my knowledge no special insurance is available to us in So-Cal but I have not looked to hard as I am covered for helo rides in my insurance plan.

Now that does not cover rescue for getting lost. Part of me says bill them the other part agrees with Darrell. I think I would make it a case by case decision. But what I would do is leave them out there all night to teach them something. Eventually some MTBer will come by and point the way out.
 
Can you say, "stupid kids on mushrooms" ...?
If they were on mushrooms or any other psychedelics, 1) they wouldn't call the cops, they would eat each other before calling the cops. 2) They wouldn't have got cramps or had any need for food or water or extra clothing. 3) they wouldn't be lost, they would be laughing their asses off wondering where the hell they are, but they wouldn't be lost. Or so I've been told.
 
Costs are dealt with differently from county to county. In Los Angeles County, L.A. County Fire and Sheriffs each have their own helo squadrons. You get lost, call 911, get airlifted out, you do not pay a dime for being rescued by a county tax paid public service entity. In other counties like Riverside for example, it depends on the nature of the rescue. You get lost in Riverside County you get plucked out by Cal Fire which is contracted by the county for emergency services. You wreck your car on a highway however, AMR (private for-profit ambulance service) initiates a helo due to distance from hospital. They call Mercy Air (private for-profit air ambulance service) to fly you to the nearest trauma center. You heal up and open the mail to find a fat bill. I agree I do not want to pay the knuckleheads who get lost on a trail by their own ignorance/stupidity. I also do not want to pay for dopes who call 911 because they have a cold, sniffle, hangnail, leaky faucet, bee problem, or lost cat. Yet, this is the nature of our 911 system -- you call, you get a response from a mulitude of "all risk" public service agencies.
 
Chopper Reed said it best, "harden the F*%^ up!"
If you knew me, then you would know that I am 100% a HTFU kind of guy and I do not care for soft ass people being unprepared and going into the wilderness. Basically, I don't care for soft ass people, period. Anyway, I still don't believe you, or me, or anyone for that matter should have to pay for a rescue if it's needed. And if you really think Cali is in the "red" because of this scenario, GTHFOOH(get the fu@k out of here).
 
Amazing, considering how cheap GPS devices are these days.

First thought on my mind when I started riding was "How the hell do I get back to the car should I become seperated/lost".... a GPS handheld and handheld HF radio later and I'm all set.

Much cheaper investment than a helicopter rescue bill.
 

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