El Prieto at risk!/Station Fire (merged threads)

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  1. MountainCycler

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    This pertains to the Station fire recovery area and the listing below identifies the "boundaries". Does anyone have a map to show what trails are within/outside this?

    Mt Wilson Toll Road
    Sam Merrills
    Sunset Ridge
    Chantry
    Winter Creek
    Mallard Canyon
    El Prieto

    Thanks!

    The Station Fire Recovery Area begins at the intersection of Little Tujunga Road and the boundary of the Angeles National Forest, Township 3 N, Range 14 W, Section 33, San Bernardino Base and Meridian; then continues north along Little Tujunga Road to the northern boundary of the Angeles National Forest, Township 3 N, Range 15 W, Section 1; then continues east along the boundary of the Angeles National Forest to its intersection with the western edge of Angeles Forest Highway, Township 4 N, Range 12 W, Section 2; then continues south along the western edge of Angeles Forest Highway to its intersection with Forest Road No. 4N20, Township 4 N, Range 12 W, Sections 11 and 12; then continues east along the southern edge of Forest Road No. 4N20 to its intersection with Forest Road No. 4N20A, Township 4 N, Range 11 W, Section 18; then continues south along the western edge of Forest Road No. 4N20A to the Desert Marksman Rifle Range, Township 4 N, Range 11 W, Section 18; then continues around the perimeter of the Desert Marksman Rifle Range to its intersection with Forest Road No. 4N20A, Township 4 N, Range 11 W, Section 18; then continues north along the eastern edge of Forest Road No. 4N20A to its intersection with Forest Road No. 4N20, Township 4 N, Range 11 W, Section 18; then continues west along the northern edge of Forest Road No. 4N20 to its intersection with Angeles Forest Highway, Township 4 N, Range 12 W, Sections 11 and 12; then continues north along the eastern edge of Angeles Forest Highway to its intersection with the Forest boundary, Township 4 N, Range 12 W, Section 2; then continues east along the Forest boundary to its intersection with the western edge of Forest Road No. 5N04.2 (Cheseboro Road), Township 5 N, Range 11 W, Section 28; then continues south along the western edge of Forest Road No. 5N04.2 to the locked gate, Township 5 N, Range 11 W, Section 34; then continues east to the eastern boundary of the Little Rock Reservoir, Township 5 N, Range 11 W, Section 34; then continues north along the eastern edge of the reservoir to the Little Rock Palmdale Dam, Township 5 N, Range 11 W, Section 27; then continues west along the Little Rock Palmdale Dam to the eastern edge of Forest
    Road No. 5N04.2, Township 5 N, Range 11 W, Section 27; then continues north along the eastern edge of Forest Road No. 5N04.2 to the Forest boundary, Township 5 N, Range 11 W, Section 28; then continues east along the Forest boundary to its intersection with Forest Trail No. 10W02 (High Desert National Recreation Trail), Township 4 N, Range 10 W, Section 24; then continues south along Forest Trail No. 10W02 to its intersection with National Recreation Trail 2000.5 (Pacific Crest National Scenic Trail), Township 3 N, Range 10 W, Section 11; then continues west and south along National Recreation Trail 2000.5 to its intersection with Highway 2 (Angeles Crest Highway), Township 3 N, Range 10 W, Section 16; then continues east along Highway 2 to its intersection with Highway 39 (San Gabriel Canyon Road), Township 3 N, Range 9 W, Section 8; then continues west around the perimeter of the West Fork Day Use parking lot and Trail Head, Township 2 N, Range 9 W, Section 19; then continues south on Highway 39 to the southern boundary of the Angeles National Forest, Township 1 N, Range 10 W, Section 14; then continues west along the Forest boundary to its intersection with Forest Road No. 2N41.1 (Santa Anita Canyon Road), Township 1 N, Range 11 W, Section 10; then continues north along Forest Road No. 2N41.1 to its intersection with National Recreation Trail 11W14 (Gabrielino National Recreation Trail), Township 1 N, Range 11 W, Section 3; then continues north along National Recreation Trail 11W14 to its intersection with Forest Trail No. 11W16 (Sturtevant Trail), Township 2 N, Range 11 W, Section 34; then continues west along Forest Trail No. 11W16 to its intersection with Forest Road No. 2N45 (Mt. Wilson Road), Township 2 N, Range 11 W, Section 29; then continues east and south along Forest Road No. 2N45 to its intersection with Forest Trail 12W16 (Idlehour Trail), Township 1 N, Range 11 W, Section 6; then continues northwest along Forest No. Trail 12W16 to its intersection with Forest Trail No. 12W14 (Sam Merrill Trail), Township 2 N, Range 12 W, Section 27; then continues south along Forest Trail No. 12W14 to its intersection with Forest Trail No. 12W14A, Township 2 N, Range 12 W, Section 34; then continues northwest along Forest Trail No. 12W14A to its intersection with Forest Road No. 2N50.2, Township 2 N, Range 12 W, Section 34; then continues west along Forest Road No. 2N50.2 to its intersection with Forest Trail No. 2N65.2 (Chaney Trail), Township 2 N, Range 12 W, Section 33; then continues south along Forest Trail No. 2N65.2 to the Angeles National Forest boundary, Township 2 N, Range 12 W, Section 33; then continues west along the Forest boundary to the starting point.
     
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    The closure order is confusing at best.
     
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    Hi kids, lurker here with my first post!

    I'm a little surprised that this trail is open...according to the forest service closure map it is still off-limits?
    http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/orders/StationFireClosureMap-01-09-07.pdf

    I'm waiting for Rincon Red-Box / Cogswell reservoir to open. I've planned my entire winter around it, and then the fire happened.
     
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    I don't think anything on the backside of Wilson is going to open before spring, or even be worked on before spring (per a letter I got thanking offers of volunteering to help restore trails).

    Time to re-eval your winter plans.
     
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    The Station fire is out -- or is it?

    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-station-fire10-2009nov10,0,4771574.story?track=rss

    The Station fire is out -- or is it?

    The soil around Mt. Wilson Observatory still smolders, burning what root systems remain after the devastating Station fire was declared contained weeks ago. Fire crews are monitoring the area.
    By Baxter Holmes

    November 10, 2009

    More than a month ago, the Station fire was fully contained by firefighters.

    But on Mt. Wilson, it doesn't look that way.
    Dave Jurasevich has looked out the window of the Mt. Wilson Observatory and spotted several plumes of smoke in recent weeks since the worst fire in Los Angeles County history was declared contained.
    "We don't see a lot of fire, but we see smoke -- and where there's smoke, there's fire, obviously," said Jurasevich, the superintendent at the observatory, which was evacuated twice during the Station fire.
    Firefighters have been called in. Helicopters too. They're putting out hot spots where the fire smolders underground, burning through root systems.

    If a gust of wind comes along and there's fuel present, those coals can again turn into flames.

    "The fire's not out by any means," said Stanton Florea, a fire information officer for the U.S. Forest Service. "Containment is when there's a line around it. Control is when there's no heat."

    And control comes much later, Florea said.

    "They told us it won't really be out until the real winter rains start," Jurasevich said.

    The region did see rain for two days in mid-October, but at the observatory the rain gauge gathered only about 5 inches.

    "It wasn't enough," Jurasevich said.

    The burn areas are faced with a sort of Catch-22: More rains would douse smoldering root systems, but they could also cause mudslides in the communities that sit below the barren hillsides of the Angeles National Forest.
    The Station fire, which authorities believe was started by an arsonist in late August, burned 160,000 acres, destroyed dozens of dwellings and killed two firefighters. It has cost more than $95 million to fight.

    The phenomenon of root systems smoldering underground is something firefighters have dealt with before, though it is considered rare. There are cases when large logs continue to smolder weeks after a fire; or when a large pile of dirt and wood along a fire line smokes for days after flames have subsided.
    Fred Thompson, superintendent for the Helena Hotshots, a group of specialized firefighters who are often called in for large forest fires, has seen it for himself.

    He spent 15 days at the Mt. Wilson Observatory during the Station fire, providing structure protection.
    Thompson said he has heard of fires in the northern Rocky Mountains that burn through the fall and into the winter when heavy snow falls -- and when the snow melts in the spring, the fire that had been burning slowly underground reignites.

    One tactic to prevent this, Thompson said, is to dig up large stumps near the edge of a fire line and feel around for heat below the surface of the soil. Another is to cut deep lines with a bulldozer, severing root systems on the edge of a fire.

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    Just heard on Channel 7 news,Highway 2 and Angeles Forest Hwy. expected to open Monday. I couldn't find anything in print though to back up the story. Checked Caltrans site and just the closures are posted. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
     
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    I didnt see ACH on that list but I know I heard it was to reopen.
     
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    what about the trails? :( I miss sunset ridge to el p.
     
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    The road will be open for commuter traffic only. The burn zone trails are closed until 9/30/10.

    http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/angeles/orders/
     

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