Chino Hills State Park proposed for closure (Threads merged)

Completely agree. At this point, I have no moral objections to riding somewhere that is closed simply due to the whim of a politician. Were it a real concern, i.e. the whole post-fire thing, then it becomes questionable. In this case, to me, there is no question.

Damn, this made me angry today.

 

close open land...oxymoron.
and politicians are just morons. Sacramento to D.C. there is no common sense
is there anything in the constitution to remove jack asses? F**K!

morality and riding have nothing to do with each other as there are plenty of immoral people that ride bikes

 

http://ga3.org/calparks/parkclosures_takeaction.html

 

Here's the list of State parks....

Here's the list of State Parks being considered for closure.

1. Leo Carrillo State Park.
2. Los Angeles State Historic Park.
3. Los Encinos State Historic Park.
4. Malibu Creek State Park.
5. Malibu Lagoon State Beach.
6. Pio Pico State Historic Park.
7. Point Mugu State Park.
8. Rio de Los Angeles State Park.
9. Robert H. Meyer Memorial State Beach.
10. Santa Susana Pass State Historic Park.
11. Topanga State Park.
12. Verdugo Mountains.
13. Will Rogers State Historic Park.
14. California State Capitol Museum.
15. Governor’s Mansion State Historic Park
16. Leland Stanford Mansion State Historic Park.
17. Railtown 1897 State Historic Park.
18. State Indian Museum State Historic Park.
19. Sutter’s Fort State Historic Park.
20. Bethany Reservoir State Recreation Area.
21. Calaveras Big Trees State Park.
22. California Mining & Mineral Museum.
23. Caswell Memorial State Park.
24. Columbia State Historic Park.
25. George J. Hatfield State Recreation Area.
26. Great Valley Grasslands State Park.
27. Indian Grinding Rock State Historic Park.
28. McConnell State Recreation Area.
29. Carpinteria State Beach.
30. Chumash Painted Cave State Historic Park.
31. El Capitan State Beach.
32. Emma Wood State Beach.
33. Gaviota State Park.
34. La Purisima Mission State Historic Park.
35. McGrath State Beach.
36. Point Sal State Beach.
37. Refugio State Beach.
38. San Buenaventura State Beach.
39. Anza-Borrego Desert State Park.
40. Cuyamaca Rancho State Park.
41. Indio Hills Palms.
42. Palomar Mountain State Park.
43. Picacho State Recreation Area.
44. Salton Sea State Recreation Area.
45. Annadel State Park.
46. Bale Grist Mill State Historic Park.
47. Benicia Capitol State Historic Park.
48. Benicia State Recreation Area.
49. Bothe-Napa Valley State Park.
50. Candlestick Point State Recreation Area.
51. East Shore State Park State Shoreline.
52. Jack London State Historic Park.
53. John Marsh Home State Historic Park.
54. Mount Diablo State Park.
55. Petaluma Adobe State Historic Park.
56. Robert Louis Stevenson State Park.
57. Sonoma State Historic Park.
58. Sugarloaf Ridge State Park.
59. Brannan Island State Recreation Area.
60. Delta Meadows.
61. Folsom Powerhouse State Historic Park.
62. Franks Tract State Recreation Area.
63. Marshall Gold Discovery State Historic Park
64. Stone Lake.
65. California Citrus State Historic Park.
66. Chino Hills State Park.
67. Mount San Jacinto State Park.
68. San Timoteo Canyon.
69. Wildwood Canyon.
70. Angel Island State Park.
71. China Camp State Park.
72. Mount Tamalpais State Park.
73. Olompali State Historic Park.
74. Samuel P. Taylor State Park.
75. Tomales Bay State Park.
76. Caspar Headlands State Beach.
77. Caspar Headlands State Natural Reserve.
78. Greenwood State Beach.
79. Hendy Woods State Park.
80. Jug Handle State Natural Reserve.
81. MacKerricher State Park.
82. Mailliard Redwoods State Natural Reserve.
83. Manchester State Park.
84. Mendocino Headlands State Park.
85. Montgomery Woods State Natural Reserve.
86. Navarro River Redwoods State Park.
87. Point Cabrillo Light Station.
88. Russian Gulch State Park.
89. Schooner Gulch State Beach.
90. Van Damme State Park.
91. Westport-Union Landing State Beach.
92. Andrew Molera State Park.
93. Carmel River State Beach.
94. Fort Ord Dunes State Park.
95. Fremont Peak State Park.
96. Garrapata State Park.
97. Hatton Canyon.
98. Henry W. Coe State Park.
99. John Little State Natural Reserve.
100. Julia Pfeiffer Burns State Park.
101. Marina State Beach.
102. Monterey State Beach.
103. Monterey State Historic Park.
104. Moss Landing State Beach.
105. Pfeiffer Big Sur State Park.
106. Point Lobos Ranch.
107. Point Lobos State Natural Reserve.
108. Point Sur State Historic Park.
109. Salinas River State Beach.
110. San Juan Bautista State Historic Park.
111. Zmudowski State Beach.
112. Admiral William Standley State Recreation Area.
113. Azalea State Natural Reserve.
114. Benbow Lake State Recreation Area.
115. Del Norte Coast Redwoods State Park.
116. Fort Humboldt State Historic Park.
117. Grizzly Creek Redwoods State Park.
118. Harry A. Merlo State Recreation Area.
119. Humboldt Lagoons State Park.
120. Humboldt Redwoods State Park.
121. Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park.
122. John B. Dewitt Redwoods State Natural Reserve.
123. Little River State Beach.
124. Patrick’s Point State Park.
125. Pelican State Beach.
126. Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park.
127. Reynolds Wayside Campground.
128. Richardson Grove State Park.
129. Sinkyone Wilderness State Park.
130. Smithe Redwoods State Natural Reserve.
131. Standish-Hickey State Recreation Area.
132. Tolowa Dunes State Park.
133. Trinidad State Beach.
134. Ahjumawi Lava Springs State Park.
135. Anderson Marsh State Historic Park.
136. Bidwell Mansion State Historic Park.
137. Bidwell-Sacramento River State Park.
138. Castle Crags State Park.
139. Colusa-Sacramento River State Recreation Area.
140. McArthur-Burney Falls Memorial State Park.
141. Shasta State Historic Park.
142. Weaverville Joss House State Historic Park.
143. William B. Ide Adobe State Historic Park.
144. Woodson Bridge State Recreation Area.
145. Pismo State Beach.
146. Armstrong Redwoods State Natural Reserve.
147. Austin Creek State Recreation Area.
148. Fort Ross State Historic Park.
149. Kruse Rhododendron State Natural Reserve.
150. Salt Point State Park.
151. Sonoma Coast State Park.
152. Border Field State Park.
153. Carlsbad State Beach.
154. San Pasqual Battlefield State Historic Park.
155. Silver Strand State Beach.
156. Torrey Pines State Beach.
157. Torrey Pines State Natural Reserve.
158. Estero Bluffs State Park.
159. Hearst San Simeon State Park.
160. Limekiln State Park.
161. Los Osos Oaks State Natural Reserve.
162. Monta–a de Oro State Park.
163. Morro Bay State Park.
164. Morro Strand State Beach.
165. William Randolph Hearst Memorial State Beach.
166. A–o Nuevo State Natural Reserve.
167. A–o Nuevo State Park.
168. Bean Hollow State Beach.
169. Big Basin Redwoods State Park.
170. Burleigh H. Murray Ranch.
171. Butano State Park.
172. Castle Rock State Park.
173. Castro Adobe (Rancho San Andres).
174. Gray Whale Cove State Beach.
175. Half Moon Bay State Beach.
176. Henry Cowell Redwoods State Park.
177. Lighthouse Field State Beach.
178. Manresa State Beach.
179. Montara State Beach.
180. Natural Bridges State Beach.
181. New Brighton State Beach.
182. Pescadero State Beach.
183. Point Montara Light Station.
184. Pomponio State Beach.
185. Portola Redwoods State Park.
186. San Gregorio State Beach.
187. Santa Cruz Mission State Historic Park.
188. Seacliff State Beach.
189. Sunset State Beach.
190. The Forest of Nisene Marks State Park.
191. Thornton State Beach.
192. Twin Lakes State Beach.
193. Wilder Ranch State Park.
194. Bodie State Historic Park.
195. Burton Creek State Park.
196. D.L. Bliss State Park.
197. Donner Memorial State Park.
198. Ed Z’berg Sugar Pine Point State Park.
199. Emerald Bay State Park.
200. Empire Mine State Historic Park.
201. Grover Hot Springs State Park.
202. Kings Beach State Recreation Area.
203. Lake Valley State Recreation Area.
204. Malakoff Diggins State Historic Park.
205. Mono Lake Tufa State Natural Reserve.
206. Plumas-Eureka State Park.
207. South Yuba River State Park.
208. Tahoe State Recreation Area.
209. Ward Creek.
210. Washoe Meadows State Park.
211. Antelope Valley California Poppy Reserve.
212. Antelope Valley Indian Museum.
213. Arthur B. Ripley Desert Woodland State Park.
214. Colonel Allensworth State Historic Park.
215. Fort Tejon State Historic Park.
216. Providence Mountains State Recreation Area.
217. Red Rock Canyon State Park.
218. Saddleback Butte State Park.
219. Tomo-Kahni State Historic Park.
220. Tule Elk State Natural Reserve

 

Closed? Ha they don't even patrol it open

 

Does seem kind of ironic, doesn't it?

 

Lay off the rangers, issue handgun permits to the Mtn Bikers and that should solve the problem... no motos, self policing single track...

 

Your analysis is spot on. They engage in wild schemes they can't support, then extort money from us by withholding that which is already ours.

The hills were a fun destination long before the state took it for themselves, and honestly, the only thing that has changed is the road is now regularly graded and there are a few buildings and a drinking fountain. Whoopie.

The only control they have over us is denying access to the park. If they sent the ranger home and turned off the drinking fountain, no one would care.

Tell you what, if they close the park, I'll claim it as my own and rename it Robbie Hills Park. The ranger that we see once a year will be there less often, and the state won't be able to afford to buy him a ticket book anyway.

You can be the Trail Czar, in charge of thanking all the volunteers. Our motto will be "No trailworker shall be denied!"

 

the bad is that others may claim it as their own too and turn it into a giant pot farm or worse - suburban residential complex.

 

What, I can get a free lunch? :beer:

 

OK guys, discuss solution, bitch about the politicians, ask why, whatever, but anymore talk about poaching it IF it closes will get deleted.

Thanks Jeff, but we went in from the OC side/Carbon Canyon and I rode with the newbs up Telegraph to 4 corners and back, all fire road. Ya, most would say I've never "ridden" Chino Hills.

 

I don't know all the details regarding the state park closures. It will be interesting to see if anything gets closed at all.

If they do close these parks, I'm pretty certain we would still have pedestrian and mountain bike access. I believe they would simply shut down the car access, parking and car camping areas and other camp sites. Showers,toilets and pit toilets would be locked. I'm sure that trash services would be halted too.

So if you simply walked, hiked thru or rode through the closed park it wouldn't be a problem. Kind of like when they closed Switzers, it was closed to cars & you could hike and bike and have a picnic, but you couldn't drive into the picnic site. And you had to pack your trash out. No one got tickets.

....Kind of like Crystal Lake
....Kiind of like Chantry(when it was closed)
....Kind of like(fill in the blank)

Switzers closure is not the same as the suggested State Park closures. We'll just have to see how this all shakes out.

 

If go to the center a few dollars, if you are over 60 a donation, if you work the kitchen meal is free. Or meals on wheels two meals per day delivered to your home for $7. Why do I know so much about this? My mother used to run the meals on wheels program in Laguna Niguel.

Dean

 

Schwarzenegger proposes closing 220 state parks!

Are you kidding me? This would be VERY bad news for all of us if it materializes.

What up wit dat Arnold?

 

I guess there will a rise in poaching trails....

easy people.....just a little humor.....

OOPS....after Gene's no poaching post...but come we should get a 24 hours stay of execution on this one to blow off some steam.....

I don't think it will happen but it (the whole mess) does irritate me.

 

Well at least they'll stop dumping sand on these trails.

 

My biatch: my daughter's school is laying off the bright, fresh teachers with new ideas and an enthusiasm for teaching because they've been at the school for less than 2 yrs. What will happen to all those classes? Combined and shoved in with others? They're already overcrowded.

Biatch #2: according to the state, for purposes of property tax, my house has increased in value $100,000 in the last year (we've only owned it for a year). Really? With all the foreclosures, my property is magically worth MORE?

 

You're right. The State screws the pupils and spends the money on teachers.

Rankings


Average Teacher Salary Rank: 1st
Starting Teacher Salary Rank: 9th
Salary raise last year: 3.9%
Salary raise over 10 years: 41.6%

 

It should be pay cuts and LONGER work weeks for all salaried personel.
More work, lower cost...
Thats what they did to keep the doors open at my work.
All salaried persnel got pay cuts and an additonal 16-20 hrs work per month.

They said that if you didn't agree, there would be a 30 day grace period for you to look for other employement.

Guess what? no one left....

 

You made improvements or the house is worth $5 million? You can file a Decline-in-Value Reassessment Application if you can show it's worth less.