hey jeff i just got those pedals in today they are "rockwerks" installed them and took a spin around the block, man they are great, just the slightest side motion and boom uncliped, but when pulling strait up they stand fast, way more confidence in them than my old crank brothers, but we will see, like i said i got 2 sets so if you want to try a set let me know, i might put them on the hard tail i haven't decided yet.