Yes we have a new president with a new vision but.....

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  1. BAD_S197

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    Everyone was excited to see new blood in the Presidential seat. We have been under Clinton/Bush rule for almost 20 years combined so it's understandable.

    However, despite having a new face and way of thinking for a president. We STILL have the same greedy, self important, ulterior motive thinking bastards in congress and the senate.

    Hell I remember when I was a KID, Arlene Spector being a representative from Pennsylvania.

    These bastards are the reason we have not had any change. You can change the president but the same guys who didn't let anything get accomplished are still in office!

    Are there no term limits on those positions?? or are they good till they die?

    It's no wonder our country is starting to take on that "third world country" feeling.

    I could go on but I would just get more disgusted.
     
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    The fault lies with those that keep electing them to office.
     
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    The silent majority needs to speak up.
     
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    dirtvert Whine on!

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    and if you throw out term limits, you have a bunch of people with no experience.

    wuddya gonna do?

    craig's right, but at the same time you have to have fair districts drawn so that the other side at least has a chance to vote someone in.

    smokers? smacktalkers? gluttons? who ya talkin about...

    there's nothing silent about the taco tuesday group- "let freedom scream."

    :beer:
     
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    Quixotism is dead

    As-If, there is and always will be a ruling class and billions of influential reasons why peons cannot change it. Targeting the the elected marionettes is what they are there for but will not change the underlying locus of control.

    Just live like a pirate; "take all you can, give nothing back"
     
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    I see too many times where people complain about this and that, but at the same time takes no action. Most people I know who complain about the politicians in office and ask them if they voted in the last election, 9 times out of 10 the answer is "no".

    People talk about how "new to office" politicians have no experience, then how are they to gain them? I feel that lack of experience does not necessarily equate to lack of ability.

    Just the smoking, glutenous, smacktalker talking here....
     
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    Exactly....and those who don't even vote.
     
  8. BAD_S197

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    The president is a scapegoat..

    Everyone blames him for the problems not getting fixed yet they are the ones who can't solve the issue.
     
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    "experience"????? What does that really mean? Would you trust a person that knows what everyday America really wants? Or do you trust a person that has never really done anything in society and is a lifetime politician? I'd trust a small business owner with no college degree over somoene who has made a successful business over a person who went straight from college to politics.



     
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    dirtvert Whine on!

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    i appreciate where you're coming from, but the majority of politicians had successful careers before they were elected (except for the bono-style spouses who step in, never quite understood the sense of that. actors/sports stars are another exception. there are probably more...).

    but look at the private sector. people who are successful rise to the top and stay there as long as they continue to produce. it should work the same way in politics, at least until they leave the country to have a taxpayer-funded affair (i've always heard argentinian chicks were the best).

    :beer:
     
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    Ladd Jasper Full speed, half blind

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    Perfect solution: Bitch Tax.

    You complain without offering/ supporting/ voting for an alternative...BAM! $20.
     
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    Dell, I don't think the OP was seeking out a national debt resolution. At least not in two months like your solution suggests....:lol:
     
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    Speaking of National Debt Resolution...

    When was the last time you ran out of money before payday and ran to your boss and asked for more? I bet he'd tell you to go F yourself.

    So why does a gov't spend more than it has and then ask for more?

    Earmarks... so much talk about not having them in the budget yet tons get passed. Bullshit pet projects to keep their states happy. A budget of a few million to build a tunnel for turtles to go under a freeway in some state....and other more meaningless BS.

    We are trillions in debt but Hillary Clinton goes overseas and pledges millions of dollars to some country for aid.. millions we don't have.

    It's time for a political revolution!!!!
     
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    dirtvert Whine on!

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    citizens run out of money and borrow more every day (it's what keeps the economy afloat). they're aren't too many of us that don't have a mortgage, car payments, credit card debt, etc. at least government projects produce jobs and revenue, and if they save some endangered turtles- cool.

    and let's not bash hillary. she's doing what every secretary of state has done- greasing the wheels. that's how we build and maintain allies. and that's how we got so many other countries to go in with us in iraq, even though they probably knew it was a waste of time/money/lives. hell, we took lots of money post-katrina from countries worse off than us.

    americans wouldn't revolt unless they could do it from their couch.

    :beer:
     
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    Yeah. Pretty much.
    Now imagine if we could safely participate in elections by texting in our vote...












    Nevermind. Americans can't even choose the best idol or dance crew. #-o
     
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    dirtvert Whine on!

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    the future of american politics

    that's a great mental image: mccain up on stage, hugging palin, they both have four fingers up; obama hugging biden with 6 fingers up (call, c'mon!)

    phone lines will be open for the next 2 hours...
     
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    dirtvert Whine on!

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    you might want to give obama more than 5 months before you run up the "mission not-accomplished" flag...

    after bush's first 5 months, the only things he had "accomplished" were to drop the cabinet-level position of counter-terrorism and to drag his feet on warnings about an imminent al quaida threat.

    but that's not all. from the baltimore chronicle:

    Bush's first six months in office: a sobering list

    [FONT=Trebuchet MS, Palatino, Times, serif]From vetted sources[/FONT] Whatever your beliefs, know what your President is doing. Here is a list of George W. Bush's administration's work during the first six months of his term in office:

    • Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.
    • Cut federal spending on libraries by $39 million.
    • Cut $35 million in funding for doctors to get advanced paediatric training.
    • Cut by 50% funding for research into renewable energy sources.
    • Revoked rules that reduced the acceptable levels of arsenic drinking water.
    • Blocked rules that would require federal agencies to offer bilingual assistance to non-English speaking persons. This, from a candidate who would readily fire-up his Spanish-speaking skills in front of would-be Hispanic voters.
    • Proposed to eliminate new marine protections for the Channel Islands and the coral reefs of northwest Hawaii. [San Francisco Chronicle, April 6, 2001]
    • Cut funding by 28% for research into cleaner, more efficient cars and trucks.
    • Suspended rules that would have strengthened the government's ability to deny contracts to companies that violated workplace safety, environmental and other federal laws.
    • Okayed Interior Department appointee Gale Norton to send out letters to state officials soliciting suggestions for opening up national monuments for oil and gas drilling, coal mining, and foresting.
    • Appointed John Negroponte—an un-indicted high-level Iran Contra figure during his tenure as U.S. Ambassador to Honduras—to the post of United Nations ambassador.
    • Abandoned a campaign pledge to invest $100 million for rain forest conservation.
    • Reduced by 86% the Community Access Program for public hospitals, clinics and providers of care for people without insurance.
    • Rescinded a proposal to increase public access to information about the potential consequences resulting from chemical plant accidents.
    • Suspended rules that would require hardrock miners to clean up sites on Western public lands.
    • Cut $60 million from a Boy's and Girl's Clubs of America program for public housing.
    • Proposed to eliminate a federal program designed to help communities (and successfully used in Seattle) prepare for natural disasters.
    • Pulled out of the 1997 Kyoto Treaty global warming agreement.
    • Cut $200 million of work force training for dislocated workers.
    • Eliminated funding for the Wetlands Reserve Program, which encourages farmers to maintain wetlands habitat on their property.
    • Cut program to provide childcare to low-income families as they move from welfare to work.
    • Cut a program that provided prescription contraceptive coverage to federal employees (though it still pays for Viagra).
    • Cut $700 million in capital funds for repairs in public housing.
    • Appointed Otto Reich—an un-indicted high-level Iran Contra figure—to Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs.
    • Cut Environmental Protection Agency budget by $500 million.
    • Proposed to curtail the ability of groups to sue in order to get an animal placed on the Endangered Species List.
    • Rescinded rule that mandated increased energy-saving efficiency regulations for central air conditioners and heat pumps.
    • Repealed workplace ergonomic rules designed to improve worker health and safety.
    • Abandoned campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide (CO2), the waste gas that contributes to global warming.
    • Banned federal aid to international family planning programs that offer abortion counseling with other independent funds.
    • Closed White House Office for Women's Health Initiatives and Outreach.
    • Nominated David Lauriski—ex-mining company executive—to post of Assistant Secretary of Labour for Mine Safety and Health.
    • Okayed Interior Secretary Gale Norton to go forth with a controversial plan to auction oil and gas development tracts off the eastern coast of Florida.
    • Announced intention to open up Montana's Lewis and Clark National Forest to oil and drilling.
    • Proposes to re-draw boundaries of nation's monuments, which would technically allow oil and gas drilling "outside" of national monuments.
    • Gutted White House AIDS Office.
    • Renegotiating free trade agreement with Jordan to eliminate safeguards for the environment and workers' rights.
    • Will no longer seek guidance from The American Bar Association in recommendations for the federal judiciary appointments.
    • Appointed recycling foe Lynn Scarlett as Undersecretary of the Interior.
    • Took steps to abolish the White House Council on Environmental Quality.
    • Cut the Community Oriented Policing Services program.
    • Allowed Interior Secretary Gale Norton to shelve citizen-led grizzly bear re-introduction plan scheduled for Idaho and Montana wilderness.
    • Continues to hold up federal funding for stem cell research projects.
    • Makes sure convicted misdemeanor drug users cannot get financial aid for college, though convicted murderers can.
    • Refused to fund continued cleanup of uranium-slag heap in Utah.
    • Refused to fund continued litigation of the government's tobacco company lawsuit.
    • Proposed a $2 trillion tax cut, of which 43% will go to the wealthiest 1% of Americans.
    • Signed a bill making it harder for poor and middle-class Americans to file for bankruptcy, even in the case of daunting medical bills.
    • Appointed a Vice President quoted as saying "If you want to do something about carbon dioxide emissions, then you ought to build nuclear power plants." (Vice President Dick Cheney on "Meet the Press.")
    • Appointed Diana "There is no gender gap in pay" Roth to the Council of Economic Advisers. (Boston Globe, March 28, 2001)
    • Appointed Kay Cole James—an opponent of affirmative action—to direct the Office of Personnel Management.
    • Cut $15.7 million earmarked for states to investigate cases of child abuse and neglect.
    • Helped kill a law designed to make it tougher for teenagers to get credit cards.
    • Proposed elimination of the "Reading is Fundamental" program that gives free books to poor children.
    • Is pushing for development of small nuclear weapons to attack deeply buried targets-weapons, which would violate the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.
    • Proposes to nominate Jeffrey Sutton—attorney responsible for the recent case weakening the Americans with Disabilities Act—to federal appeals court judgeship.
    • Proposes to reverse regulation protecting 60 million acres of national forest from logging and road building.
    • Eliminated funding for the "We the People" education program which taught schoolchildren about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and citizenship.
    • Appointed John Bolton—who opposes non-proliferation treaties and the U.N.—to Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security.
    • Nominated Linda Fisher—an executive with Monsanto—for the number two job at the Environmental Protection Agency.
    • Nominated Michael McConnell—leading critic of the separation of church and state—to a federal judgeship.
    • Nominated Terrence Boyle—ardent opponent of civil rights—to a federal judgeship.
    • Canceled 2004 deadline for automakers to develop prototype high mileage cars.
    • Nominated Harvey Pitts—lawyer for teen sex video distributor—to head SEC.
    • Nominated John Walters—strong opponent of prison drug treatment programs—for Drug Czar. (Washington Post, May 16, 2001)
    • Nominated J. Steven Giles—an oil and coal lobbyist—for Deputy Secretary of the Interior.
    • Nominated Bennett Raley—who advocates repealing the Endangered Species Act—for Assistant Secretary for Water and Science.
    • Is seeking the dismissal of class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. against Japan by Asian women forced to work as sex slaves during WWII.
    • Earmarked $4 million in new federal grant money for HIV and drug abuse prevention programs to go only to religious groups and not secular equivalents.
    • Reduced by 40% the Low Income Home Assistance Program for low-income individuals who need assistance paying energy bills.
    • Nominated Ted Olson—involved with the Scaife-funded "Arkansas Project" to bring down Bill Clinton—for Solicitor General.
    • Proposes to ease permit process—including environmental considerations—for refinery, nuclear and hydroelectric dam construction. (Washington Post, May 18,2001)
    • Proposes to give government the authority to take private property for power lines through eminent domain.
    • Proposes that $1.2 billion in funding for alternative renewable energy come from selling oil and gas lease tracts in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve.
    • Plans on serving genetically engineered foods at all official government functions.
    • Forced out Forest Service chief Mike Dombeck and appointed a timber industry lobbyist
    edit-orial: (see below)--if there were ever 2 idiots on the extreme right, glenn beck's both of them...:lol::lol::lol:
     
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