trail building

Discussion in 'Trail Conditions' started by downhiller91, Aug 21, 2009.

  1. downhiller91

    downhiller91 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2008
    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    cowboy
    Location:
    desert hot springs
    me and one of my buddies are going to start building one of the best freeride trails near my house. what are some tools that i should take with me and what are some good tips for trail building
     
  2. Fewinhibitions

    Fewinhibitions Always be a moving target

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2009
    Messages:
    3,957
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    Creative Arts, Community Service, Politics
    Location:
    Da 808
    my 2ยข...

    Get some experience first. Blazing a trail with no experience is a recipe for disaster.

    Do some location scouting and see what has worked in similar areas.

    Who owns the property you are building on - and are they cool with it as well? Is it in writing?

    These are just for starters and there is a lot more to it than this.

    Get as much info and approvals as possible/necessary.

    http://www.trailbuilders.org/resources/books1.html

    A bad or illegal trail will negate a lot of positive efforts from all over.

    Personally, the McLeod Tool is a fave of mine. But shovels, hoes, solid rakes are a good start.

    Others here are much more knowledgeable and can give you more tips on what not to do as well as what to do.

    Good luck and enjoy!
     
  3. Cannonball

    Cannonball Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2009
    Messages:
    218
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Occupation:
    Environmental Planner
    Location:
    Pasadena
  4. downhiller91

    downhiller91 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2008
    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    cowboy
    Location:
    desert hot springs
    OK.thanks. but by tips i kinda ment like what would you guys like to see in a trail to be fun ,ex. jumps, stunts , lots of ladders , not a lot of ladders stuff like that
     
  5. jfsh

    jfsh chainsaw and shovel

    Joined:
    May 24, 2006
    Messages:
    898
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Occupation:
    teacher
    Location:
    Kernville
    Passion

    In order to get anything done you need to be passionate about the project you are working on. It will take you much longer to build good stuff than you think. The only way I know to get that kind of passion is to build stuff that you want to ride. One of the great things about building is that you are putting in the effort so you can build things to your preference.

    Make sure you have the whole permission thing figured out as well. It would be a bummer to have all of your efforts torn down, or worse, land you in trouble.

    It is worth the effort. Trail building is one of the most satisfying things I have done. It is addicting.
     
  6. ViLerocker

    ViLerocker New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2008
    Messages:
    224
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Student/ Golf Course Construction
    Location:
    Rancho Park/LA
    Home Page:
    bobcat...
     
  7. mpmffitz

    mpmffitz Farm Freerider

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2008
    Messages:
    3,390
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    Hand cuffs and leg irons please
    Location:
    Wildomar
    How about planting some trees out there. My brother Gary rides out in Springs.
     
  8. Pain Freak

    Pain Freak Dead or Alive

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2005
    Messages:
    11,163
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    Da Boss
    Location:
    Fontucky
    Home Page:
    Kind of like, "Hey Mel, would you mind if I built a couple stunts in the backyard?"
     
  9. DISCO

    DISCO Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2007
    Messages:
    4,373
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Non-Profit Treasurer, Asset Valutation, Managment,
    Location:
    Irvine
    Home Page:
    water.
     
  10. simonmtb

    simonmtb Digging for fun.

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2008
    Messages:
    2,208
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    riding my bike and cooking dinner for the wife
    Location:
    Idyllwild
    It sounds like a great initiative but as well as following others advice here, I would also consider (if you are going to build wooden stunts) getting someone who knows woodworking to help out. To build a solid, safe and long-lasting stunt, you need knowledge and skill. Make sure you have that before using valuable time and materials on your stunts and if you are asking about what tools you need to build the trail, the chances are that you are not in posession of those skills. No one wants to get hurt because a ladder collapsed under them.
    Just a thought and good luck with the project.
     
  11. jeffj

    jeffj Bloated Mountain B'hiker

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2007
    Messages:
    2,617
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    Bloated Mountain Biker
    Location:
    Castaic, CA
    In this area, this is not the best time to build trails if you don't have access to water. Compacting the trail surface so it doesn't turn to sand after you've dug it up needs moisture present in the dirt to bond it. Some places have it, most don't. Much better to do this stuff in the late winter or spring IMHO.

    Great insight from jfsh.

    Now, the permission thing. . . . It's the right thing to do for so many reasons. There can be VERY real negative financial and civil consequences to illegal/unauthorized trail/stunt building activity to people that do not deserve it. If you do build without permission (and even if you do get permission), you could see it torn down at any time for reasons related to the owner being liable for someone getting injured. Don't get pissed at the owner, they're just protecting themselves from being sued when the inevitable happens.

    Not that I'm suggesting you do it, but most underground trail builders live by fight club rules.

    As a carpenter for 20+ years, I could not emphasize this enough. Some of the shadetree carpentry I have seen in my lifetime has been downright frightening, not to mention a disaster waiting to happen. It looks simple enough and it can be IF it is well thought out by someone that understands the forces at work and what materials and techniques will be needed to not endanger others.
     
  12. Zippo

    Zippo Pow Wow!

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2008
    Messages:
    1,362
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Mulholland Drive
    I think that the terrain should dictate what to put in and where, otherwise you won't have good flow to your trail. And anywhere you can get big air with a good transition landing that's not super jarring or super scary is a great feature. Decline mag has a series of trail building techniques, one recent issue in particular that is very resourceful...I'll dig through the stack in my "office" ie den bathroom and figure out which issue...
     
  13. roach

    roach Full Singletrack Tuck

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2007
    Messages:
    490
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Occupation:
    Environmental Planner
    Location:
    South Bay
    keep it real

    Natural features only! No lumber, No Screws! No need for that childish crap! Shape it stealth, natural and steep. Want gnarly drops? Find a natural feature. What high speed jumps? The mountain should be able to provide all these challenges and more.

    Depending on your terrain, you don't need much, Loppers to cut brush and a mini pick-axe to shape earth.

    Oh yeah, cutting new trail is no joke. It's hard work that can take weeks, months, even years depending on the length and terrain. If you're looking to cut trail today and ride it tomorrow, don't bother.

    Patience, strength and stamina are the best trail building tools.

    Most important, Stay off the internet when it's done! You post anything here about how awesome it is, and it's over. The internet is were rouge trails go to die.
     
  14. art23rockpile

    art23rockpile Minus Delta T

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2008
    Messages:
    3,479
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Cabinet/Furniture/Door Maker
    Location:
    Laguna Beach
    Well put... in fact, that last sentence is sig worthy!
     
  15. downhiller91

    downhiller91 New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2008
    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    cowboy
    Location:
    desert hot springs
    just went up there yesterday and walked the hill like 30 times planing and deciding what i want...it should come out nice
     

Share This Page

Help keep STR alive, please click the donation button below