Rock the Vote - Prop 8, YES/NO?(Threads merged)

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  1. Wicked Smot

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    Actually JC's teachings date back to the beginning of "time", long before he came to earth. Old Testament?
     
  2. Code Blue

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    I said influenced.......not originated:)
     
  3. station

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    God, could you imagine what that thread would be like? :)



    Back on point: Prop 8 is complex because for some people it's only about religion.


    haha, nope.
     
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    You made the claim that Mormons have historically been the worst treated group in the United States.

    That's simply a ridiculous claim.

    You're obviously also unfamiliar with some strains of Greek philosophy. By the way, Muhammad wasn't born until the Sixth Century, so taking a shot as Islam for not preaching compassion before Jesus did is a little odd.
     
  5. boludo

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    Thats a bit too simplistic. I didnt vote for a God. And last I checked, everyone is different than me.

    I have compassion for persons such as dirtmistress. Read her last post and you'll feel the pain she's had to endure. I ache for her.

    My compassion does not swallow my conviction. My conviction does not swallow my compassion.

    I still have a hug reserved for you. ;)
     
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    ... and yet you still voted to make her endure that pain rather than letting compassion guide your actions.

    Who endures the same level of pain if gay marriage is made legal?
     
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    Silver,
    Do me a favor and look up "extermination order of the Mormons". You will find that the state of Missouri in October of 1838 passed an extermination order of all Mormons in the state of Missouri and only in 1976 was this law rescided. Can someone say Mormon genocide.
     
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    I think I'm in love with you! Can we meet?
     
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    I'm not sure how much pain is felt from not being able to be married. DirtMistress, please chime in on this one.

    I'd assume that marriage will only give you acceptance, not less pain. But that is the main issue from what I've read in this ginormous thread.

    And good point. Which is why this was a hard decision to make. Very hard. But when presented with facts, not morality, my decision was made.
     
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    And it was never carried out. Was it right? No. Were Mormons killed? Yep. It's not in the same ballpark as the treatment of the Indians or the slaves. It's not even in the same city.
     
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    I work in Playa so I'm sure we can figure out lunch sometime :)
    A lack of acceptance is the source of a lot of that pain.
    Sorry, not following you here, I can conceive of no "facts" in this instance that would dictate the repression of a minority.

    The only morality at work here is "I don't like it, it should be illegal", which goes against the very principles this country was founded on.

    Ever hear the phrase "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"? Well, anyone who voted yes on prop 8 effectively said "I don't agree with what you have to say and I want laws passed to shut you up".
     
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    This is exactly why I voted "Yes" on 8. I know many others that voted for the very same reason. I pushed my son into the world on my own. He belongs to me and I control what messages from various groups he is to receive while he is at a young and tender age. He is in private school, not receiving information from either side as Boludo references. His school believes that is my job. Very true!

    We don't have cable TV either!!!
     
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    .. it ain't even the same ****in' sport ;)

    If he's in a private school that controls the curriculum, what difference does a yes or no vote on Prop 8 make?

    The protests against discrimination will continue until the gay community gets equality, sooner or later he's going to ask you what those are about.

    If you just wanted the whole thing to go away you should have voted against it.
     
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    1. Because of the possibility of returning to public school (economy issues).
    2. That discussion will happen when it is age-appropriate.
    3. Don't think anything is going away--pretty passionate on both sides.
     
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    Then the argument is against teaching about gay marriage in Public schools as well as when that discussion takes place, not pretending gays don't exist.

    It's not like calling it a "domestic partnership" means that homosexuality won't be discussed now does it?

    ... and I'm sorry, but voting to repress a minority so that you can avoid having to talk about something with your children on the possible premise that they MIGHT have to enter the public school system at some point seems like a pretty piss poor reason.
     
  17. Elisheva

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    Your biased assumptions offer no credibility with me. And, even if it was the way in which you have described here, I'm still entitled to my "piss-poor reason."
     
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    You are entitled to believe whatever you want to believe, but where do you think you get the right to dictate the freedoms of other people?

    Part of living in a free and civil society means respecting everyone else's rights to live their lives as they see fit.

    Your Yes vote equates to telling them that your beliefs about what your children hear supersedes everyone else's freedom and I would love to hear a justification for that, particularly in the "land of the free".
     
  19. Elisheva

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    I just voted. I have the right to vote.

    I disagree with your mantra and furthermore, believe you are angry about the outcome of the Prop 8 vote. Don't send your anger/hate my way. Thanks.
     
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    You absolutely have the right to vote, but when you're voting against the US Constitution you should REALLY have a better reason for your vote than "I don't like it".
    I'm angry whenever anyone tries to take someone else's rights away.

    You can't ask that everyone respect your views if you don't respect theirs. You apparently don't even believe that they have a right to their beliefs because you voted to impose your beliefs on them.

    I'm just asking you to give a reason for it beyond "I have the ability to do it, so I did".
     
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