*BUMP* I'm heading out as soon as I finish my jobs if anyone else is around even a few hours would be great and then we can ride after. See ya there...my sis says it's pretty chilly so layer up. Parking is close so you'll have access to your car if needed.
PV: The axe is falling.....
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Last Saturday we were split into two groups the trails worked on were Peacock Flat and Panorama. I believe the next ones are scheduled in May and June 7th?? My question many of the signs are up but am getting conflicting information..are the trails posted then now open for us to ride? I'll be out that way Saturday again for my nephew's b-day and plan to ride.
Last Saturday we were split into two groups the trails worked on were Peacock Flat and Panorama. I believe the next ones are scheduled in May and June 7th?? My question many of the signs are up but am getting conflicting information..are the trails posted then now open for us to ride? I'll be out that way Saturday again for my nephew's b-day and plan to ride.
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Trails still closed but...
Unfortunately, trails are still closed in Portuguese Bend (Del Cerro). You can only use the fire road and 4 trails (map). The signs that have been posted are in preparation for reopening but the city council has to approve it first. That could happen at the June 3rd council meeting but no onw knows for sure. In any event, it will be soon.
In the mean time, hang in there and stay on legal trails. The sheriffs department is doing random patrols and anti-bike people are taking photos to persuade the city to kick bikes out altogether. Don't help them.
If you see anyone destroying signs, please let them know it’s a dumb thing to do. It will not change anything and it will absolutely hurt our effort to open more trails to bikes. My experience is that people who are mad enough to do this stuff never show up to do anything positive, like meetings with the city or trail work. Hostility is rewarded with hostility.
If you want to vent your anger in a useful way, join us for trail work on June 7th at Del Cerro (info). We have a chance to get more trails for bikes when the city reveiws trail uses in about six months. Keep this goal in mind when you ride.
Unfortunately, trails are still closed in Portuguese Bend (Del Cerro). You can only use the fire road and 4 trails (map). The signs that have been posted are in preparation for reopening but the city council has to approve it first. That could happen at the June 3rd council meeting but no onw knows for sure. In any event, it will be soon.
In the mean time, hang in there and stay on legal trails. The sheriffs department is doing random patrols and anti-bike people are taking photos to persuade the city to kick bikes out altogether. Don't help them.
If you see anyone destroying signs, please let them know it’s a dumb thing to do. It will not change anything and it will absolutely hurt our effort to open more trails to bikes. My experience is that people who are mad enough to do this stuff never show up to do anything positive, like meetings with the city or trail work. Hostility is rewarded with hostility.
If you want to vent your anger in a useful way, join us for trail work on June 7th at Del Cerro (info). We have a chance to get more trails for bikes when the city reveiws trail uses in about six months. Keep this goal in mind when you ride.
I was there this morning for a quick work-out ride and talked to the trail conservationist people, they were putting new signs 'coz people were taking them down :?: Sorry, I cant make it for June 7 for the trail work since I'll be in Nevada, I will go next time :wave:
Flat Broke
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Bike Park / More Trails
I've got some news for those who are still following the Trail Wars in PV. Remember the idea of a "fun zone" in the land slide area south of PV drive? Well it's coming up for discussion at an upcomming PUMP meeting on June 4th. Even if you can't attend, you can send an email to address your concerns or desires with regard to expanding the trails in the area outside the reserve.
Avoid terms like "Bike Park", "free-ride", "fun zone", etc in your correspondence, as many of these terms hold negative connotations for some PUMP committee members. Stick to the idea that more trails reduces congestion, and less congestion on the trails is good for the guests, and the environment. Tactfully urging the PUMP to consider building "challenging" trails in a geologically undesirable area is a great way to give bikers an outlet, and still allow them to enjoy the area.
If you can make the meeting, awesome. If not, please take the time to put together a well-worded email in support of this activity. You can send your correspondence to
[email protected]
Best regards,
Chris
I've got some news for those who are still following the Trail Wars in PV. Remember the idea of a "fun zone" in the land slide area south of PV drive? Well it's coming up for discussion at an upcomming PUMP meeting on June 4th. Even if you can't attend, you can send an email to address your concerns or desires with regard to expanding the trails in the area outside the reserve.
Avoid terms like "Bike Park", "free-ride", "fun zone", etc in your correspondence, as many of these terms hold negative connotations for some PUMP committee members. Stick to the idea that more trails reduces congestion, and less congestion on the trails is good for the guests, and the environment. Tactfully urging the PUMP to consider building "challenging" trails in a geologically undesirable area is a great way to give bikers an outlet, and still allow them to enjoy the area.
If you can make the meeting, awesome. If not, please take the time to put together a well-worded email in support of this activity. You can send your correspondence to
[email protected]
Best regards,
Chris
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Trails reopen Friday
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I wish I could say all the old trails are open but as of Friday June 6, what we have in the Portuguese Bend Reserve (Del Cerro) is eight trails and the fire road (map). I know that sucks but those are the cards we've been dealt. Just remember that when we started four years ago, bikes were out, that’s zero trails. Today we have 36 trails throughout the ten reserves. Is that enough? Absolutely not!
So what can we do to change it?
The bottom line is, the city council holds the power. They have to sit there and listen to everyone who is willing to speak. They're confronted with facts, non-facts, distortions, exaggerations, and dramatic displays. The result is, they compromise. We don't like the results but we've been assured that they can make changes in six months, and then every year thereafter. The door is not shut; it’s open if we can work to influence them.
They want bikers to prove they can obey the rules, stay on designated trails, and not trash habitat. All those fun new technical trails, jumps, and drops we made in the past allowed the opposition to put us on the defensive from day one. They've declared that this is not a bike park; it’s a nature preserve where bikes are allowed if they don't create problems.
The council had repeatedly expressed appreciation for our trail work. They need and depend on volunteers. We know this can work because we got trails back at the Forrestal reserve a couple of years ago by working on them. We need to keep it up until the next trail review in February. There are no guarantees we will get anything but what’s the alternative?
You also have a lot of people working their butts off to get more access. That means going to endless really really sucky meetings, and facing up to people who treat you like you have the plague. It’s only natural to be pissed off and complain about what’s happened but that doesn’t help get trails back. I hate politics and I hate meetings and I hate public speaking, but I go because I love these trails and I love mountain biking. Working on trails for three hours a couple of times a year is the easy part. Will you help?
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I wish I could say all the old trails are open but as of Friday June 6, what we have in the Portuguese Bend Reserve (Del Cerro) is eight trails and the fire road (map). I know that sucks but those are the cards we've been dealt. Just remember that when we started four years ago, bikes were out, that’s zero trails. Today we have 36 trails throughout the ten reserves. Is that enough? Absolutely not!
So what can we do to change it?
The bottom line is, the city council holds the power. They have to sit there and listen to everyone who is willing to speak. They're confronted with facts, non-facts, distortions, exaggerations, and dramatic displays. The result is, they compromise. We don't like the results but we've been assured that they can make changes in six months, and then every year thereafter. The door is not shut; it’s open if we can work to influence them.
They want bikers to prove they can obey the rules, stay on designated trails, and not trash habitat. All those fun new technical trails, jumps, and drops we made in the past allowed the opposition to put us on the defensive from day one. They've declared that this is not a bike park; it’s a nature preserve where bikes are allowed if they don't create problems.
The council had repeatedly expressed appreciation for our trail work. They need and depend on volunteers. We know this can work because we got trails back at the Forrestal reserve a couple of years ago by working on them. We need to keep it up until the next trail review in February. There are no guarantees we will get anything but what’s the alternative?
You also have a lot of people working their butts off to get more access. That means going to endless really really sucky meetings, and facing up to people who treat you like you have the plague. It’s only natural to be pissed off and complain about what’s happened but that doesn’t help get trails back. I hate politics and I hate meetings and I hate public speaking, but I go because I love these trails and I love mountain biking. Working on trails for three hours a couple of times a year is the easy part. Will you help?
wrxkid
Kiet
Thanks man:clap:. so does this mean I can start riding there this week? Is there another work party starting up soon?
Troy-
Thank you.
You have accomplished what no one else could. The fruits of your tireless efforts are showing. Without you, we would have nothing and nowhere to ride. Pretty much that simple.
You have done what others could not, or would not, do.
You stayed the course, you waded through the roughest sea of B/S, hate and impossibly biased agenda's.
You never once buckled and took it all on the chin and in stride. I still don't know how you do this other than you are a much better man than I.
Thanks to Troy.
He's done more for Us than many of you know. He did it out of love and for the 'good fight', for what is Right.
This man is a Hero in my book, and a true fighter.
I am proud to call you friend.
Bless you Troy, and, thanks again.
-kevin.
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Thank you.
You have accomplished what no one else could. The fruits of your tireless efforts are showing. Without you, we would have nothing and nowhere to ride. Pretty much that simple.
You have done what others could not, or would not, do.
You stayed the course, you waded through the roughest sea of B/S, hate and impossibly biased agenda's.
You never once buckled and took it all on the chin and in stride. I still don't know how you do this other than you are a much better man than I.
Thanks to Troy.
He's done more for Us than many of you know. He did it out of love and for the 'good fight', for what is Right.
This man is a Hero in my book, and a true fighter.
I am proud to call you friend.
Bless you Troy, and, thanks again.
-kevin.
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Stay on MARKED trails.....
Just a reminder!:
Riders- please stay on the BICYCLE MARKED trails only.
DO NOT ride any road-cut drops, or any un-marked or un-bicycle approved trails in the Preserve.
Please note- many are watching, anti-bikers and myself as well. (I ride with a camera now...). Some are STILL lobbying to kick us off the Hill!
We are lobbying for more trails to open....so please:
PLEASE- Play by the rules- stay on marked trails only.
PLEASE- DO NOT Huck road cuts or Poach trails.
The Hill is done with that and there is no place for it any longer- period. This goes for everyone- from rigid XC to 7" bike riders. Everyone on wheels. If you feel the urge to go big or poach- DON'T. Take it someplace else. Please.
PLEASE- THINK before you DO. If said trail in question does not have a little bicycle w/o a red line through it, it is closed to bikes. Do not ride it. The rules are posted at the gate(s)- read them. You are reposnsible for knowing them.
PLEASE- Don't go if you Don't know.
PLEASE- Slow to a crawl around hikers and STOP around horses and pass Equestrians only when given the OK.
If you have concerns or questions, call or PM me or Troy. Also- please visit the site in my sigline for more info before going out. Things change almost daily on the Hill. There are maps there as well.
I cannot stress enough how sensative this area is to cyclists.
As biased as it sounds, that is the case- we are not liked here by some.
Is it right? No.
It is how it is, and that's the bottom line. Short of turning back the clock 20 years, I don't see it changing.
But- the better we behave, the great the chances are of gaining more access!
We are in control of our future here....if you see someone doing something wrong, kindly point it out to them and remind them or let me know who they are and what they ride.
Most of you know me and my bikes so don't hesitate to stop me for any reason. I'm up there a lot during the week so....
Ride safe and play by the rules....we have been and are doing a great job so pat's on the back all 'round. Keep up the great work gang!
All my thanks,
Kevin-
Just a reminder!:
Riders- please stay on the BICYCLE MARKED trails only.
DO NOT ride any road-cut drops, or any un-marked or un-bicycle approved trails in the Preserve.
Please note- many are watching, anti-bikers and myself as well. (I ride with a camera now...). Some are STILL lobbying to kick us off the Hill!
We are lobbying for more trails to open....so please:
PLEASE- Play by the rules- stay on marked trails only.
PLEASE- DO NOT Huck road cuts or Poach trails.
The Hill is done with that and there is no place for it any longer- period. This goes for everyone- from rigid XC to 7" bike riders. Everyone on wheels. If you feel the urge to go big or poach- DON'T. Take it someplace else. Please.
PLEASE- THINK before you DO. If said trail in question does not have a little bicycle w/o a red line through it, it is closed to bikes. Do not ride it. The rules are posted at the gate(s)- read them. You are reposnsible for knowing them.
PLEASE- Don't go if you Don't know.
PLEASE- Slow to a crawl around hikers and STOP around horses and pass Equestrians only when given the OK.
If you have concerns or questions, call or PM me or Troy. Also- please visit the site in my sigline for more info before going out. Things change almost daily on the Hill. There are maps there as well.
I cannot stress enough how sensative this area is to cyclists.
As biased as it sounds, that is the case- we are not liked here by some.
Is it right? No.
It is how it is, and that's the bottom line. Short of turning back the clock 20 years, I don't see it changing.
But- the better we behave, the great the chances are of gaining more access!
We are in control of our future here....if you see someone doing something wrong, kindly point it out to them and remind them or let me know who they are and what they ride.
Most of you know me and my bikes so don't hesitate to stop me for any reason. I'm up there a lot during the week so....
Ride safe and play by the rules....we have been and are doing a great job so pat's on the back all 'round. Keep up the great work gang!
All my thanks,
Kevin-
Quick question for you Kevin or anyone else that knows. What is the best way to climb up from the bottom that is legal?
I did it a couple months ago and took Peppertree/Toyon/Burma and it was not easy. I was on my commuter bike with almost road tires though.
I did it a couple months ago and took Peppertree/Toyon/Burma and it was not easy. I was on my commuter bike with almost road tires though.
Toyon to Burma is the best way...it is a hike-a-bike in the last section cus it is really torn up from horses.
Do not take Scarf to Burma.
The other way is along the bottom towards Klondike, small asphalt climb past the shack then do the two small humps then down the singletrack to Burma.
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Do not take Scarf to Burma.
The other way is along the bottom towards Klondike, small asphalt climb past the shack then do the two small humps then down the singletrack to Burma.
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drclark
I aim to misbehave
There is a proposed "reckless trail use" ordinance going before the city council so watch you speed out there as well. Zipping down the trails, even burma fire road might get you in trouble.
Hopefully, in a couple of years, bikers will hopefully get more-equal access to the trails, but PV's days as a free-ride spot are DONE.
drc
Hopefully, in a couple of years, bikers will hopefully get more-equal access to the trails, but PV's days as a free-ride spot are DONE.
drc
Amen!
That's the silver lining.
Riding in PV may be ridiculous at the moment, but at least the hordes of Starship Troopers are no longer welcome! I'm willing to give up a few trails if it means we don't have to be subjected to the downhill goons that used to infest Del Cerro.
Framekiller
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What is the news on the proposed "fun-zone"? any word on that?
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Has anyone read what will be categorized as “reckless trail use” and how it will be enforced? My worry is that it could be highly subjective and people with the more extreme views could categorize it as anything more than a walking pace.
I’m not trying to say we should be able to fly down the hill as fast as we can go but we have to have a little room to have fun. I have to agree that the more downhill/freeriding stuff should be on trails without horses and hikers. We will have to accept that to do that kind of riding we will have to drive a little further.
It’s a bummer that we have to be so careful so we’re not seen in this negative light. We’re riding a bike for crying-out-loud. I think there are a lot worse things that people can be doing with their time.
I’m not trying to say we should be able to fly down the hill as fast as we can go but we have to have a little room to have fun. I have to agree that the more downhill/freeriding stuff should be on trails without horses and hikers. We will have to accept that to do that kind of riding we will have to drive a little further.
It’s a bummer that we have to be so careful so we’re not seen in this negative light. We’re riding a bike for crying-out-loud. I think there are a lot worse things that people can be doing with their time.
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bikeadict
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Wow, this is quite a thread. Just from the snippets I've read, its good that there are people still fighting the good fight.
My only hope is that as more people view bikes as a means of transportation and a lifestyle that places will open off road also.
In my opinion legislating "reckless behavior" is a road to nowhere... What is reckless to someone might be perfectly safe to another. A noob going one speed down a hill is much more dangerous than an expert going twice that speed.
What has happened to our country... there is virtually no place you can go where you aren't governed by a rule telling you what you can and can not do. It is very sad... We are creating rules for the lowest common denominator...
My only hope is that as more people view bikes as a means of transportation and a lifestyle that places will open off road also.
In my opinion legislating "reckless behavior" is a road to nowhere... What is reckless to someone might be perfectly safe to another. A noob going one speed down a hill is much more dangerous than an expert going twice that speed.
What has happened to our country... there is virtually no place you can go where you aren't governed by a rule telling you what you can and can not do. It is very sad... We are creating rules for the lowest common denominator...
While that is being legislated, please note.
In this area- please slow to a crawl when passing hikers.
Stop around Euquestirans and pass when told to.
As far as enforcement, usually the place just gets closed down as a form of 'enforcement' when rules are not being followed and enough complaints have been logged.
As bikers- We are in direct control of our future in this area.
"TREAD lightly" as they say.
I've looked into it. You will be considered "reckless" if:
1)you are witnessed skidding the rear tire more than 2feet.
2) you scare any other trail user (including mtbr's) due to your riding.
3) you are riding over 5mph anywhere in the reserve.
4) you are under 18 and riding without a helmet.
5) you are riding on any vegetation (crashing into the bushes will be considered "reckless")
Enforcement will be mostly self-policing. I've started to also carry a camera. My plan is to shout, "stop, or I'll shoot!" Once these reckless riders see my camera, I'm positive they will begin riding responsibly and apologize profusely.
Hey now, some people might be riding strapped. Still MTB riders are supposed to yield to all other trail groups, regardless. Hikers and Equestrians are always shocked when I actually acknowledge them and wait for approval to proceed.
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