Which brings us neatly back to the first post. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI It would seem "education" is losing. According to this - http://adultthought.ucsd.edu, under "Anti-Science: Creationism and Stupidification" (near the end) - Surveys of introductory courses at UCSD show that about 40% of our students are Creationists, believing that the Earth is 6,000 years old, that humans did not arise from evolutionary processes, or that humans were contemporary with dinosaurs. Do they arrive at class also believing the Earth is flat? That the sun orbits the Earth? That the moon is a warm object? That there's an ocean above the sky? This is also on the UCSD site - http://adultthought.ucsd.edu/culture_war/aps_backpage_id_100518.html FROM 2005! Even Pat Robertson doesn't believe it - http://www.salon.com/2014/02/05/pat_robertson_begs_ken_ham_to_shut_up/ (although I suspect his reasons for saying so) I do know a family who are proud of their creationist views, and proud when their six year old daughter stands up in class and says she believes the Earth is 6,000 years old People, this crap REALLY NEEDS TO STOP. Please.