I have had really poor experiences with the above products and I was wondering if anyone else had experienced something similar... The EVO elbow pads? They don't stay up for sh*t. I first bought a size Large, which felt like my arm was going to be shorn off from the tightness, so I traded in for an XL. Fit was good, still felt a bit tight... fast forward 3-4 rides, they won't stay up at all even with the straps as far as the velcro will allow. I'm gonna try cutting the straps down and re-sewing so they're shorter (allowing tighter adjustment) and I'll let you guys know what happens. Also, the stitching quality is inconsistent and doesn't appear to be done in a skilful manner. Bottom line: I won't be buying these again even with my sponsorship discount. I am also displeased I had to pay shipping twice since 661 doesn't give out return shipping labels. Strait Knee pads size Large Strengths) fit is awesome, very comfortable, not noticeable during rides or HAB. Stylish of course. Plastic cup inside padding. Weaknesses)they slip right off in any crash where you land knees first at speed. Stay in place fine during the ride and pedaling, but take any sort of downward sliding impact and they're gone. This has resulted in multiple hamburger patellas for me. Not pleased. Stitching same as above. Bottom line: They've let me down as many times as they've saved me. Probably better used for Dirt Jumping or Urban than for Downhill. In their intended function (IMO)they did great the few times I had to bail while DJ'ing. I'll be posting more reviews for products that I've used, in the upcoming weeks. T.H.E. Carbon helmet 661 Nasty Signature glove Five.Ten Impact Mid-Top Shoe Various RockShox forks More when I think of which ones I would like to review.