Prayer is needed....

Discussion in 'The Pub' started by DirtymikeTDB, Jul 20, 2011.

  1. guero

    guero iFroth

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    your friend is lucky he didnt kill anyone, he is a grown man, knowing damn well what his condition was before making the choice to get behind the wheel of an automobile. :: looking around :: nope, no sympathy not found here.
     
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  2. MojoCP

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    I've enjoyed my slim alcohawk model, but have always been wary of the fluctuating numbers. I just read about about the cheaper semiconductor tech vs. the professional fuel cell tech. Looks like the S75 model is a great deal ($50 bucks cheaper) and uses that tech, unlike the rest of their lower line. Buying it.
     
  3. DirtymikeTDB

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    Dont confuse my hopes and prayers for sympathy, I have no shred of sympathy for him going to jail. I just hope that he will finally realize and find the danger and errors of his current ways, and how to not end up like this again.
     
  4. DirtymikeTDB

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    Wow.... thats insulting. I will finish any conversation with you on this. I will not shove my religous veiws and belives down anyones throat, so I will ask that you not shove your opinions that religion is a hypocricy down mine. Its your choice if you dont belive in God, or if you want ot belive christianity is a hypocricy. Thats fine by me its your choice..... But do not attack my religous beliefs with garbage when your wording shows you do not understand why someone would truly do something.


    Oh, and a big one here... just because someone is praying for someone, and/or asking others to pray for them.... doesn't mean they are trying to shove religon down their throat either. It simply means we as christians are forgiving, and care about others. Even if your not asking, even if you dont even know about it.
     
  5. rjcsocal

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    No, you're acting pious. I think you wearing your "christianity" on your sleeve and asking people to pray for a guy that probably needed well before now is somewhat silly. And just because I disagree with you on this issue doesn't mean I'm attacking your beliefs either. You assume I don't believe in God because of it. You have no idea what I believe, but because I poked you in the eye for taking such a pious tone over a mountain biking social network you judge me. Very christian of you.

    Keep it in church is all I'm saying.
     
  6. dirtvert

    dirtvert Whine on!

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    I'm not convinced that STR is overly pious. Everybody has to believe something.

    I believe I'll have another beer.

    :beer:

    (in moderation)
     
  7. DirtymikeTDB

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    Didnt judge at all, dont know you from Tom, Dick, or Harry......Dont know if your christian or not, thate between you and God. Pointed out the negetive tone you had about someone asking for prayer for someone, and that you without knowing the person in question have already layed out your own judgement.
     
  8. One_Track_Mind

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    Dumb move. He should be severely punished (chain gang every weekend for 5 years. Imagine having no weekends for 5 years) but this is just another example of California's insane "Big Brother" police state mentality. They would rather make him a weight on the state's already stressed budget (for life) than make him contribute to the states betterment (cleaning roads, feeding homeless, etc.etc.). Typical California mindset. No thought, just follow the book like a robot. No wonder the state is so screwed up... god forbid he actually learn from his mistakes and become a contributing member of society again, no, lets create another source of revenue for our friends in the privatized prison system by giving him life in prison. What a great use of tax dollars.
     
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    OneTrack: they are rehabilitating him by making money off putting him in time out with many worse deviant individuals so he can learn to be a career criminal. He will need those skills now that he cannot get a job seeing as he will now be a fellon.
     
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    Much like the "mugged and robbed in Aliso" thread......I have a hunch there is more to this story. I'm betting the incident was a little more hostile than we're being led to believe......and I bet there are a few priors(including 2 felonies) on dude's record.
     
  11. wizard

    wizard tradersancho's dad

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    If there is a God, it may be that He placed those two cops outside this guys door.
    On the other hand, if there is no God, none of this really matters...survival of the fitttest reigns.
     
  12. Pho'dUp

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    It's been almost two months now since a drunk driver hit a car full of kids and killed one of them here. This guy had priors too.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/girls-302526-driving-clark.html?pic=1

    I rode my bike past there tuesday night and candles are still being lit with kids still putting a vigil on.

    It's nice that you hope he can redeem himself and want others to have that hope too. But fock man right now he's a dangerous mix of out of control and reckless.
     
  13. solislbc

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    I speak from experience on both ends of this story. I made a poor decision in 1999 to drive with a .18 alcohol level. I now understand that God put that highway patrol behind me to save a lot of lives. I should not have been driving. I remember it well. I was on the freeway at night and all I saw were blurs of light. I only did 24 hours of jail time but the whole thing cost me around $10k and haunted me for 10 years on my driving record. Embarrassing as I tried to move on in life and became a professional when this would show up on back ground checks. But I learned a hard lesson that I needed to be taught. I never did it again.

    3 weeks ago my brother and his wife were plowed by a drunk driver in rural Montana. Luckily everyone survived but there will be a lot of physical therapy involved. If someone would have been in the back seat they most likely would not have survived. Their car is totaled. Their life has been temporarily derailed by someone else's poor decision. The guy had priors as well.

    Unfortunately a lot of people find God or ask for prayers only when they are in a pickle. Your friend definitely needs help getting cured from whatever is driving him to make these poor decisions but it doesn't help him or any of us to hope and pray for another slap on the wrist. It did't work for him the first time so he might need a hard lesson to learn. He's gonna kill someone eventually. I can appreciate your support to him as a friend, but he needs prayers for a different reason than what your asking.
     
  14. mtbfan

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    I have to say, I am really on the fence with this one. Of course, I agree, that anyone who has committed a crime of any kind should be punished for it, even if it was a bad mistake or a bad choice. Not knowing all the circumstances, I know this. We all have done stupid things we regret in our lives, so don't feel that any of you are innocent. Most of us have not been caught, though, but does that mean we could have not been a threat to someone as well? I see so many of us in bars after our rides, to talk about the ride and finish up a good evening. Most should not get behind the wheel but do it anyways. Just because you made it home safe that day does not mean you were not a threat to others on the road that night. You just got lucky....this time. I am not religious and believe that we all have a conscience that tell us what is right or wrong, others think that "conscience" is "God". Whatever works, I guess. Bottom line. We all have to make the right decisions and should not let alcohol or other drugs be the cause of bad decisions. So, if you really feel like judging this guy, take a look at yourself and maybe stay home if you want to drink. That would also be a wise decision, and I am curious to see how many of you (including me) will actually take this story to heart and change their own lives. Maybe, this is the true reason this has happened...to give the rest an awakening to make better future decisions. This is only my opinion, nothing else.
     
  15. solislbc

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    I hope this is a wake up call for all of us. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    Prayer given.
     
  17. F.A.D.

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    As a point of reference. If he does not learn to respect his own life, he will never learn to respect other lives as well. Unfortunately he's gonna have to realize this on his own.
     
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    I think the moral of the story is that while Jesus might forgive, the DA doesn't.
     
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    DUI is only a felony if someone gets hurt...so I doubt that will stand up...He'll probably get convicted of felony evading but I highly doubt he'll get the vandalism conviction. I bet they threw the other charges on there mostly to scare him into pleading out to one of three or two of three of the charges. My guess is they make him an offer if he pleads guilty that will look something like: DUI gets dropped to a misdemeanor, vandalism dropped altogether and the felony evading sticks. That's if the important details have all been disclosed.
     
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    Not to get too philosophical, but..

    While Jesus might "forgive," he may not intervene to change the DA's heart and get the DA to back off. Jesus may think a big dose of reality is what the man needs in order to learn and become a better person as a result of this. That too is part of "forgiveness." It comes with redemption which may include a harsh sentence.

    My brother in law got behind the wheel and drove off the embankment of a freeway exit and crashed into a tree. Not only did he drive intoxicated, but he also ran away from the scene of the accident on foot. He was eventually caught but got away only with a suspended license and mandatory AA meetings.

    That was 15 years ago when the laws were probably more lenient. But he has not drunk and driven since that incident. What shook him up to the core was the state of the car he saw up close when he went to the yard to retrieve it. How he got away with just a bloody nose and bruises was a miracle. He definitely could have killed somebody and his family of two small children at the time could have been left with out a father. In his case, he learned his lessons and never repeated his mistake again.

    There is nothing wrong with wishing for leniency from the DA, but the outcome should be a complete and permanent change on the part of his friend. Even a harsh sentence may not do the trick in the long run. I know people who have been in and out of prison for drug use for decades, and they still have not beaten the addiction. It all comes down to your friend's attitude.
     

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