"Do you need to actually see someone cut new lines to believe they're there?" Nope that's why I inquired about it. Hikers have been known to also cut new lines trying to get out of the way from bikers on the dh. "You think bench cuts happen naturally? Naturally or not I heard the trails suck in Ladera but thanks for the invite. Bigtex! The majority of the trails in SoCal are not natural btw. Shocker! "You call it a rant, but you've never ridden in Ladera. For those of us who live here and ride that trail regularly, it's kind of significant." Touchy subject my apologies. Don't push me push a push pop. Lol.