BB Trail closures

Discussion in 'Trail Conditions' started by EL Jim, Jul 26, 2013.

  1. dstepper

    dstepper (R.I.P.) Over the hill

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    If they close Trick or Treat and Ho Chi Ming Trail I will not be inclined to come up and ride Skyline Trail anymore...it will kill my cross county loop.
     
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    Dang. I'm excited about the new park but I'm not sure it is worth the trade off of losing all of those other trails. I'm with Dean. Trick or Treat is one of the funnest, most flowalicious trails I've ever had the good fortune of hauling ass down. :(
     
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    I think the point is getting missed.

    Regardless of the bike park or not, trails were getting closed and or illegal trails were going to be enforced by the USFS.
    This had already started to happen long before a bike park was decided on.
     
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    You're right, Traci, it was missed by me. I was under the impression that once the newer bike park trails were created, the others were going to being phased out. I obviously misunderstood. But damned if I'm not still bummed out those trails are being destroyed. :-({|=
     
  5. EL Jim

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    It would be a travesty if they closed HCM trail, it's been there in one form or another since the 20's. back then it was an old logging road, you can still see some remnants of logging activity on the west side of the meadow.

     
  6. dstepper

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    EL Jim it seems like many of the so called illegal trails in BB are using old logging roads but that does not seem to make a difference to Forest Service when they close access. The mountains behind Big Bear is full of overgrown fire and logging roads that have grown over. Old flume trails, abandoned railroad beds and logging/minning roads should be fair game to keep open and bikes allowed.
     
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    Am I right in assuming HCM is not yet closed? I had a lot of fun on that trail last summer.
     
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    Sounds like the USFS is using the trails on summit property as an excuse to shut down many of these off book but longstanding off property trails. I heard that pat Follett went through all the hoops including many fees to get these trails recognized but got shut down. Sounds like a direct assault on bikers by the USFS involving unfair and possibly unconstitutional limits on the usage of lands that belong to us taxpayers.

    I love the emergence of all these bike parks, but I fear they will serve as justification (or smokescreens at the least) while we get excluded from yet more trails.
     
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    Exactly.
     
  10. sir crashalot

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    My take on this has changed. Last year when we first heard word of teh bike park, I was totally stoked (and still am) and I figured theyd close some of the old FS trails as a "compromise" and i figured whatever, ill just hit the park and DH. But since my injury im probabaly gonna be more into xc for a while, and was looking forward to doing loops on my trail bike including trick or treat (which ive never ridden) and some of the others on the chopping block (hopefully not ho chi min, such a beautiful trail). Ironically, even though the FS thinks that for riders in general getting more bike park trails while shutting down old FS trails is an even trade, for xc/am riders who are perhaps more up there to hit flowy forest singletrack as well as enjoy the mountains, shade, and scenery (which is what the FS likes, right??!) it is a loss. at least tehre will still be pineknot and cabin 89?
    that being said, i think im feeling bettr and am gonna try to hit the park at least once this summer, if i go slower im sure ill be fine, and be there like crazy next summer (cant go in the fall because i work weekends and lifts are closed wekkdays then).
    On the map Sean posted, ho chi minh isnt shown at all. hmmn.
     
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    I totally agree with you there. My understanding of Skyline was it was inteneded to open up XC loops like that.

    I know there was a study done and I figured we would loose trails like Fall-line or some of the "unofficial" trails because of erosion issues and all the loose dirt and skidding that happens, but not Trick-treat or HCM. I don't get it. these are good trails that don't have erosion issues and are not torn up due to steep grade / etc.. Is this for sure? that we will loose trick or treat? That's really going to piss me off.
     
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    Case in point: Old National! It is now signed and legal and is a straight-down-the-hill sand waterfall! This just supports my contention that statements of wanting to control erosion, etc, are complete BS! USFS is probably being influenced by the Sierra Club or other rabidly anti-bike groups out there to slowly choke off our access to trails! We can show them research till we are blue in the face showing that bikes cause no more erosion than foot traffic, show evidence of much more trail stewardship amongst MTB groups than hikers, etc, but it doesnt seem to make a difference....
     
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    I don't understand this map. if I'm reading it correctly, it shows the entire new skyline trail as "Unauthorized / Unclassified Route" am I the only one seeing this?
     
  14. EL Jim

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    Rode HCM a few days ago,, its still open. A bootleg trail connected toHCM was closed though.....
     
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    When I was climbing the fireroad, it looked like the exit for HCM was flagged with blue ribbons...not sure what that means, but the cynic in me says flagged for closure...

    If the USFS put a fraction of the effort into maintaining trails that they do into closing trails and policing bike usage on PCT etc...
     
  16. sir crashalot

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    Do you mean the one that ran down to hcm from near where dick's bottoms at the fire road?
     
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    flags sometimes mark tress to be cut.
     
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    just got back from a great Mammoth trip, to have a local place to ride with features and wood ramps, awesome.
     
  19. sir crashalot

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    True that! hope i heal up before summers over!
     
  20. EL Jim

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    No, that's lower dicky's a particularly fine piece of ST. .there's a trail towards the end of HCM that was closed
     

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