why is Specialized better then this guy's frame???

[dstepper]

Originally Posted by .8down

my buddy at work lives breaths Motorcycles, biking and racing, works on all his bikes. he's had major neck surgery because of all the years he has raced and spilled, he now rides with a full face helmet and a neck brace thats like 400 bucks.....he also rides a GT Zazkar from like 1990's or something, and kicks my Stumpy S-works arse 3 ways to Sunday downhill(before he had the surgery of course). Where does he belong???

GT Zazkar are great solid bikes, many of them are still around....they were the bomb in thier day. I do not know your friend how could I comment.

[Evil Chocula]

Originally Posted by dstepper

I break down people into two categories: People that ride mountain bikes…they are content to ride the same local park trails ride after ride. And mountain bikers: They live for the ride and invest much of their money and time into MTBing. .

You forgot the third category: mountain bikers that buy value added and invest the rest of thier money in the market.

[.8down]

Originally Posted by dstepper

I do not know your friend how could I comment.

do you know all the people that you cataloged? I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, but its really not fair to look at what some one rides and immediately say they don't love the sport. Maybe the Sette is poor in quality, and is not worth the money, or maybe its the next big bike maker just starting out, who knows... but I don't think owning one makes you less of a rider....

[jcampbell]

Buy the Sette, and put the rest of your money in Roth IRA.

[dstepper]

Originally Posted by .8down

do you know all the people that you cataloged? I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, but its really not fair to look at what some one rides and immediately say they don't love the sport. Maybe the Sette is poor in quality, and is not worth the money, or maybe its the next big bike maker just starting out, who knows... but I don't think owning one makes you less of a rider....

First off I did not name any names, you seem to be "cataloging" yourself...this is my opinion. My friend JD rides a old Marin rigid hardtail and lives and breaths MTBing and can outride most. No where in my rant did I say you have to have a expensive bike to be a good mountain biker or love the sport...please do not add your spin to what I said.

Dean

[Collette]

Originally Posted by dstepper

I break down people into two categories: People that ride mountain bikes…they are content to ride the same local park trails ride after ride. And mountain bikers: They live for the ride and invest much of their money and time into MTBing. To most they are a bore, because all they want to do talk about is trails and bikes.

I have more money tied up in bikes than in the car I drive, and would have it no other way. I am depressed unless I have a major bike road trip planned. I want a bike that when I start a 20 mile 5,000 foot decent down some remote mountain range in Utah or Arizona I can be assured my bike will make it in one piece. We ride technical trails with major exposures, if a bike breaks things could get very bad. My life is worth the best equipment I can afford. If my biking was a weekend warrior I would not feel the need to spend big money.

That was beautiful man!!

[dstepper]

Turner envy. He can't have the best so he poo poos me. At least you got it half right and bought a Niner.

[FoShizzle]

Originally Posted by dstepper

First off I must disclose that I am a total bike snob, owning two Niners and one Turner.

I break down people into two categories: People that ride mountain bikes…they are content to ride the same local park trails ride after ride. And mountain bikers: They live for the ride and invest much of their money and time into MTBing. To most they are a bore, because all they want to do is talk about trails and bikes.

I have more money tied up in bikes than in the car I drive, and would have it no other way. I am depressed unless I have a major bike road trip planned. I want a bike that when I start a 20 mile 5,000 foot decent down some remote mountain range in Utah or Arizona I can be assured my bike will make it in one piece. We ride technical trails with major exposures, if a bike breaks things could get very bad. My life is worth the best equipment I can afford. If my biking was a weekend warrior I would not feel the need to spend big money.

dude! thanks for making me more "F"-ing depressed than i already was. So what am I? I have more money in my bikes than in my car by far, yet I am not even a weekend warrior the only road trip I have planned is to do what "the man" tells me

[schleppp]

Originally Posted by FoShizzle

what "the man" tells me

DOWN WITH THE MAN!!!!

[Hanzo]

I used to ride an Intense 6.6 for almost a year and now ride a Reign. Some have said WTF am I doing or am I crazy for downgrading. I didnt feel like it was an downgrade at all. I am not about the boutique bike but just like what others have said ride what feels right. I am not putting down Intense, Turner, or any other boutique bike. I just chose to ride what works best for me.

Oh btw is not a snob, hes actually one cool misguided dood.

[CeeDubb]

I just ride my bike and drink beer.

[cru jones]

I could be wrong on this but isnt Sette price points house brand? Quality control could be an issue also. I remember back in the day when the old Iron Horse frames paint would chip off if you looked at it the wrong way.

[PacMan]

I always wondered about the Sette frames on PricePoint too.

My LBS had a Sette bike in for a tune-up a few weeks ago. It looked OK, but was a friggin' brick and actually clanked and flexed when you rode it. It felt and rode like a cheap bike.

I would NEVER buy one after that experience.

[RacinJason]

Speedgoat is going to be one of our dealers soon. They gave us a great review on the speedgoat site.
They love the XCL.
Always look at your options and read reviews those people have tried the bikes and will give you some feedback.
Remember its your life on the line. If you ride a bike that is unsafe just to save a buck it will cost you in the end. At least invest in health insurance.
BTW I have a load invested into mine and Willies bikes we just love them. Riding is a way of life and building bikes is a form of art.

Originally Posted by allison

You are going to pay a certain amount for a label. That's true in *any* industry.

Go to the grocery store... you can buy Lay's potato chips or you can buy Joe's crisps. Or Mt. Joe's soda. The store brand is always cheaper, so why do people buy the brand name?

I dunno.

Can you walk into a store front and ride the Sette around? Does the shop that sells them have a store front you can walk into and talk to the owner/manager? Some people don't care about that, but others do. We've purchased all but two of our bikes locally, and the other two both came from Speedgoat. Not a local store front, but they do actually have a shop (also good online sales, which is why I'm on a Dos).

The store interaction is why we started out on Specialized bikes instead of Trek. Continued satisfaction with the bike, customer service, and really not needing to worry about the frame at all since purchase is another reason I've gone with Specialized more than once. Still happy with all 3 of my bikes from them

[Rob]

A Sette is basically a frame picked out of many offered from those Taiwanese/Chinese frame catalogs.

Like this place.
http://www.b2bchinasources.com/China...le-Frames.html

[RacinJason]

I didn't want to say it but yeah the frames are just a pre made frame that they put a name on and sell . No R&D Really the only thing that Sette has to do with it is pointing it out and ordering it out of a catalog.

There is nothing wrong with borrowing a Taiwanese factory to speed up production of your own design like Santa Cruz ,Yeti and many others do. To pic a generic frame and put your name on it is kinda effortless.
Sometimes they think they can fool the consumer.
Sometimes they do.
The frames that make a difference are better by design.
That is my .02 then again what do I know.


cat

Originally Posted by Rob

A Sette is basically a frame picked out of many offered from those Taiwanese/Chinese frame catalogs.

Like this place.
http://www.b2bchinasources.com/China...le-Frames.html

[soul rider]

remember when SuperBlow was selling the Weyless frames...the XC looked like a Santa Cruz Superlight. we are they now? if you own one and have issues who can you contact? nobody

[.8down]

Thanks everyone for your great input, as I stated earlier, I was planning to get a Giant R1, and just wanted to keep an open mind...I did end up emailing Sette to get a background on a builder but got very little in return:

My email:
[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Hi I have read your site and myspace but it doesn't say much about your designs and engineering back ground? how did you get started making bikes? did you work for a bigger company then decide to leave? how are the bikes made? are they hand made in th eUS or mass produced in China? Im just trynig to gauge if I should take a chance on buying a frame from you guys. a little bit about your background would help a lot.

Thai

Their response:
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial]Thai[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial]Thank you for your email. Pricepoint.com is our exclusive online retailer and they have carried our products for years as they do other quality products. Our frames are superb. You can check the warrany information via Price Point and feel secure about what you purchase. [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]