New Salsa FS 29er - Big Mama

[bikeadict]

I wonder what bike shop will get one of these for me to test ride....

[tkblazer]

Originally Posted by Burner

The bike is very well thought out... love the rocker and the rear brake mount.

i've been waiting for someone to come up with a frame mounted rear post mount so you don't have to run that stupid adapter

i'm liking it

[Burner]

the replaceable dropouts are key too...

[dubjay]

Originally Posted by Burner

the replaceable dropouts are key too...

Did the dropouts you saw use a Maxle?

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by Burner

The bike is very well thought out... love the rocker and the rear brake mount.

Can't believe Jason wouldn't spill the name then comes up with "big mama" ? eesh.

Hopefully available in another color option as well. I loved it in black.

I think the price is in the sweet spot... more coin than bargain FS frames, and significantly less than boutiques like Turder or Ells.

right the name is lame.......have heard worse

Agree that rear brake mount is sweet and you can run an adapter if you want to run a bigger rotor

[donkey]

The one thing I really dislike about the frame......the rear brake mount.

If you have IS brakes.....you're out of luck unless you want to run an adaptor and a larger rotor. And....the adaptor you'd need to run is a big cludgy thing.

But...the main reason I dislike it: There does not yet exist a tool to face post mounts. What does that mean to you? Unless those posts are absolutely, dead on straight and true....your rear brakes will never function *perfectly*. Avid's CPS system will help.....but it'll likely still pose a problem.

Otherwise....sweet frame.

B

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by donkey

The one thing I really dislike about the frame......the rear brake mount.

If you have IS brakes.....you're out of luck unless you want to run an adaptor and a larger rotor. And....the adaptor you'd need to run is a big cludgy thing.

But...the main reason I dislike it: There does not yet exist a tool to face post mounts. What does that mean to you? Unless those posts are absolutely, dead on straight and true....your rear brakes will never function *perfectly*. Avid's CPS system will help.....but it'll likely still pose a problem.

Otherwise....sweet frame.

B

I thought most newer brakes were like Avids now My new Hopes are

Change is good Brian. I remember the backlash when they stopped putting post mounts for rim brakes on forks and frames

[donkey]

Originally Posted by DeeZee

I thought most newer brakes were like Avids now My new Hopes are

Change is good Brian. I remember the backlash when they stopped putting post mounts for rim brakes on forks and frames

Nope.....Avid has a patent on the CPS washers. Hope/Hayes/Shimano/Etc all really on the frame/adaptor to be completely square and true and have no mechanism in place to adjust for a mount that is out of spec.

Change is great.....I'm a big fan of it. But....change is lame when it limits your options, doesn't work as well as the original and doesn't solve anything:-)

[Chewyeti]

DONKEY should be an engineer..... he has common sense and smarts!

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by donkey

Nope.....Avid has a patent on the CPS washers. Hope/Hayes/Shimano/Etc all really on the frame/adaptor to be completely square and true and have no mechanism in place to adjust for a mount that is out of spec.

Change is great.....I'm a big fan of it. But....change is lame when it limits your options, doesn't work as well as the original and doesn't solve anything:-)

why did they make the change to post mount for forks?

Sounds like a HD / Blueray battle to me

[BrewMaster]

Why not use the Avid washers on any brake caliper. Is there anything special on the Avid caliper?

[donkey]

Originally Posted by DeeZee

why did they make the change to post mount for forks?

I'm honestly not real sure......but I wish they hadn't. IS is more versatile and doesn't limit the brakes that one can use on a given fork/frame.

Not only does the post mount system limit your ability to face the caliper mount.....it also limits your ability to space the caliper side to side with the use of shims between the adaptor/caliper and the fork/frame. This is something that happens all the time due to variance in hub disc spacing.

Call it nitpicky.......but I'll stick with IS.

B

Originally Posted by BrewMaster

Why not use the Avid washers on any brake caliper. Is there anything special on the Avid caliper?

The Avid caliper is spaced specifically for those washers......if you use them on any other calipers the rotor will not meet up with the pads properly.

Otherwise you'd be on to something!:-)

B

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by donkey

I'm honestly not real sure......but I wish they hadn't. IS is more versatile and doesn't limit the brakes that one can use on a given fork/frame.

Not only does the post mount system limit your ability to face the caliper mount.....it also limits your ability to space the caliper side to side with the use of shims between the adaptor/caliper and the fork/frame. This is something that happens all the time due to variance in hub disc spacing.

Call it nitpicky.......but I'll stick with IS.

B

Funny the only time I had a tough alignment issue is when I was putting together a friends bike with a Fox Fork and Avid Juicy 7 brakes.

I see your point

[slowSSer]

Originally Posted by tbowren

Just when I thought 29er chainstays couldn't get any longer Big Mama comes out with 18.5in.

At least it's got a water bottle cage in the front triangle.

that's about 1/2 an inch longer than my seven has including the maverick linkage!!! yowza!

about the only issue i've found with longer stays is getting the front wheel off the ground- it has actually helped me on both climbing and descending to have longer stays.

good lookin salsa. their bikes just keep getting better and better- I'd love to have a 29" juan solo.

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by slowSSer

that's about 1/2 an inch longer than my seven has including the maverick linkage!!! yowza!

about the only issue i've found with longer stays is getting the front wheel off the ground- it has actually helped me on both climbing and descending to have longer stays.

good lookin salsa. their bikes just keep getting better and better- I'd love to have a 29" juan solo.

paging FoShizzle..........

[BrewMaster]

Originally Posted by donkey

The Avid caliper is spaced specifically for those washers......if you use them on any other calipers the rotor will not meet up with the pads properly.

Otherwise you'd be on to something!:-)

B

Brian, do you mean that the washer stack for Avids would put a non-Avid caliper too high for proper contact?

I am trying to understand what you mean by "spaced specifically for those washers." Thanks.

[Chewyeti]

Originally Posted by BrewMaster

Brian, do you mean that the washer stack for Avids would put a non-Avid caliper too high for proper contact?

I am trying to understand what you mean by "spaced specifically for those washers." Thanks.

yes, they would stick outward too far from the rotor.

[donkey]

Originally Posted by BrewMaster

Brian, do you mean that the washer stack for Avids would put a non-Avid caliper too high for proper contact?
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Precisely:-)

B

[slowSSer]

Originally Posted by DeeZee

paging FoShizzle..........

I should also add that i do not have the wheelie gene.

[BrewMaster]

There's gotta be a work around for this. Maybe a shorter stack of washers? Just thinking out loud...