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Old 06-02-2008, 01:37 PM   #141 (permalink)
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I dug the SB8 at first. Then I hated it when I could feel the side wall folding and rolling around. Just wait...
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:40 PM   #142 (permalink)
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I dug the SB8 at first. Then I hated it when I could feel the side wall folding and rolling around. Just wait...
it has a little sidewall roll.... its not completely tucking it though. and its very predictable in the handling dept.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:42 PM   #143 (permalink)
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im living with my tiny 2.1 pythons , they roll fast and i can deal with a little spin
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:43 PM   #144 (permalink)
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im living with my tiny 2.1 pythons , they roll fast and i can deal with a little spin
not the first time you have dealt with 'small snakes.....'
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:45 PM   #145 (permalink)
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I dug the SB8 at first. Then I hated it when I could feel the side wall folding and rolling around. Just wait...
you said that before and i meant to ask then, but how do you feel it? we're about the same size on the same bike right? anywho, ran them on two bikes now in the rear but can't "feel" anything persay, except lack of traction
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:53 PM   #146 (permalink)
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what kind of riding is everyone doing?

If you are riding CC why do you need really wide tires.

Remember you are not roll'in on the little hoops
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:55 PM   #147 (permalink)
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you said that before and i meant to ask then, but how do you feel it? we're about the same size on the same bike right? anywho, ran them on two bikes now in the rear but can't "feel" anything persay, except lack of traction
I think I may be fatter than you, but I dunno. I am 6' 0" and about 220 + gear and bike.

On fast turns or through rocky areas I could feel the side wall flexing. On a hard turns it felt like the tire wasn't following the line of the wheel. I went up to 40 psi to to stiffen the sidewall, but then the traction went to crap. This was with tubes.

I am quite happy with my Crossmark 2.1 running tubeless at around 30 psi as a rear tire.

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what kind of riding is everyone doing?

If you are riding CC why do you need really wide tires.

Remember you are not roll'in on the little hoops
I hope to do CC next year. I still like having a wider tire in the front. 2.3" is nice and I feel like I can load it more in turns without worrying about washing out.
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Old 06-02-2008, 02:29 PM   #148 (permalink)
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I think I may be fatter than you, but I dunno. I am 6' 0" and about 220 + gear and bike.

On fast turns or through rocky areas I could feel the side wall flexing. On a hard turns it felt like the tire wasn't following the line of the wheel. I went up to 40 psi to to stiffen the sidewall, but then the traction went to crap. This was with tubes.

I am quite happy with my Crossmark 2.1 running tubeless at around 30 psi as a rear tire.



I hope to do CC next year. I still like having a wider tire in the front. 2.3" is nice and I feel like I can load it more in turns without worrying about washing out.
CC = Cross Country not Counting Coup

I will change out tires for more agressive trails but for Cross Country IMHO..2.1 is all that is needed
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Old 06-02-2008, 02:45 PM   #149 (permalink)
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CC = Cross Country not Counting Coup

I will change out tires for more agressive trails but for Cross Country IMHO..2.1 is all that is needed
Conventionally, XC = Cross Country. A wider tire up front works for me, so I'll keep doing it.
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Old 06-02-2008, 03:04 PM   #150 (permalink)
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Conventionally, XC = Cross Country. A wider tire up front works for me, so I'll keep doing it.

if that is what you like

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i have ridden CC and VQ, having some tire width is nice when descending The Trail Formerly Known as Motorway, Upper Holy Jim, and Trabuco.

i am okay at descending and enjoyed having a bit of floatation in the loose rocks, especially when my brain checked out around mile 30 or so...
Just rode Trabuco two weeks ago on a 2.1 Ignitor. And I am only a weekend warrior.

My whole point is that with the bigger hoops you can get by with a skinnier tire
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Old 06-03-2008, 06:46 AM   #151 (permalink)
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Justin asked if I was ready to run Karma 1.9's f/r, but I don't think I am I'd need a 36T anyway
Has anyone tried the Kenda Karma's yet? In either the 1.8 or 2.2 forms? I'm wondering how they would fare on SoCal trails.

They are supposedly a pretty snug fit on the Stan's rims (according to Mike from Stan's).
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:06 AM   #152 (permalink)
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I ran the Cortez 26 x 2.2 before as a rear tire. It is essentially the same thing as the Karma as far as I can tell. It was a great tire. I'd consider running the Karma but I like my Crossmark too much to switch.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:02 AM   #153 (permalink)
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Has anyone tried the Kenda Karma's yet? In either the 1.8 or 2.2 forms? I'm wondering how they would fare on SoCal trails.

They are supposedly a pretty snug fit on the Stan's rims (according to Mike from Stan's).
I think I had 2.2's (26") when I first got my Stumpy awhile ago. At the time they were not agressive enough (I wound up running Neve's 2.1).

But, I'm running a 1.9 29er as a rear tire on my Dos and it is fast. I am loving it so far.

I may try it as a front tire as well later this year. I'll never every speed/rolling advantage I can get next year
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:03 PM   #154 (permalink)
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has anyone tried the Panaracer Rampage in the rear? Just curious because i was thinking bout trying that...the ignitor in the rear dont seem to work that good.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:43 PM   #155 (permalink)
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Im not a fan of the Igniters either, especially in the front- crappy front tire.

I have ran the Rampages in both directions on the back. In the rear direction, traction is great but it has quite a bit of rolling resistance. In the forward direction, it rolls better but you lose quite a bit of traction. IMO, I like the Rampage ran in the rear direction, it sticks and is predictable, but you will feel the difference pedaling it on the climbs. It sticks, but you will work harder.
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Old 06-05-2008, 08:50 PM   #156 (permalink)
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has anyone tried the Panaracer Rampage in the rear? Just curious because i was thinking bout trying that...the ignitor in the rear dont seem to work that good.
Duan that is a heavy ass tire to put in the rear (almost 800g!).

It is going to start getting dry and loose....put the Ignitor up front and get a fast roller for the rear

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Im not a fan of the Igniters either, especially in the front- crappy front tire.

I have ran the Rampages in both directions on the back. In the rear direction, traction is great but it has quite a bit of rolling resistance. In the forward direction, it rolls better but you lose quite a bit of traction. IMO, I like the Rampage ran in the rear direction, it sticks and is predictable, but you will feel the difference pedaling it on the climbs. It sticks, but you will work harder.
Ignitor a crappy front tire Talk to scutr about that...he runs that tire front and back on both of his bikes. It is one of the best front tires I have tried for all around conditions.
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Old 06-05-2008, 09:11 PM   #157 (permalink)
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i'm not sure if i like the ignitor in the rear...maybe i have too high psi? I'm running 30psi right now in the rear...running resolution in the front right now...maybe thinking of getting some captain in the back?
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:49 PM   #158 (permalink)
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has anyone tried the Panaracer Rampage in the rear? Just curious because i was thinking bout trying that...the ignitor in the rear dont seem to work that good.

The Panaracer Rampage is basically the exact same tread pattern as the Kenda Nevegal. Same casing and roughly the same weight too. I think the only difference is rubber compound.
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Old 06-05-2008, 11:00 PM   #159 (permalink)
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I am running the WTB Weirwolf LT 2.55 on the front and either the Kenda Nevegal 2.2 or Kenda Karma 2.2

The Weirwolf is great for taking the bumps but if you run pressure too low it wants to roll, too high and you lose cornering traction. Right now I am running 28psi and it is ok.

The Karma is fast rolling and hooks up well in hardpack and over rocks. it is a 120 tpi tire so it feels very nice and plush. It doesn't hook up as well as the Nevegal but then again there arent many tires that do.
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i'm not sure if i like the ignitor in the rear...maybe i have too high psi? I'm running 30psi right now in the rear...running resolution in the front right now...maybe thinking of getting some captain in the back?
Put a Captain n the rear and you've got a great combination. I love that combo on the 26er and the 29er!

Another tire that's worth a look, besides the 1100g weight, is the WTB Stout. GOBs of traction and quite honestly, they don't roll as bad as you'd expect them to. I'm actually running them both f/r, tubeless, right now. I can climb shit I never made it up before, descending they're like glue.

Don't ride them on the street or really flat trails - They make road noise like one of those massive lifted overcompensation trucks you see rolling down the road...