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dubjay · 01-30-2008, 07:14 AM

I've started collecting parts for my next wheel build. These will be for my XC FS 29er, which will primarily used for endurance races and rides.

I'll be lacing Stan's Arch's (29) to XTR M975 hubs. I was just going to go with DT Comp spokes, but can I get away with something lighter? Maybe the Supercomps?

What do you guys think? I'm 175lbs (w/o gear)

el_d00der1n0 · 01-30-2008, 07:26 AM

I used Comps on my recent build, and so far they seem to be doing well for a 200lb rider.

My advice though is more about the length: make sure you get the right length. The guy at Beyond Bikes talked me out of the lengths I went there with and I left with spokes that were too long. Now I can't get the wheel tensioned tight enough because I've run out of thread.

northshore · 01-30-2008, 07:34 AM

I don't know anything about spokes but my best recommendation for you is to hide this thread before Foo starts humping your 29er as well.

Pho'dUp · 01-30-2008, 07:41 AM

I hope one of the Mann's chimes in here.

I have a AM Classic Disc/Stan's Arches built with double butted spokes. Wicked light hubs, but wheels still came in at just under 1800gm. So that might be a good marker for you.

Are you pretty rough on wheels Dubjay? And if you're using these for Endurance races I wonder if that last 100-200 grams are worth it considering you' wouldn't want to bust a wheel 30 miles into 50mile race.

dubjay · 01-30-2008, 07:47 AM

Wheels usually hold up pretty well for me. The only time I have issues is when a branch or rock gets stuck in them and end up tweaking a spoke or two.

Weight savings would actually be minimal. According to DT's spoke calculator, the wheelset would weigh in at 1811g with the Comps, and about 1760g with the Super Comps.

I think I might just stick with the Comps to keep it somewhat durable. I know with the last set of Stan's rims I built up, they don't like a lot of spoke tension. I just don't want to end up with something too flexy.

I'm thinking of going with the Bontrager Dry X tubeless. I like what you said about the steel tire iron.

And yes, I put 29er in the title just to grab Foo's attention..

Rob · 01-30-2008, 07:50 AM

Have you considered the Revolutions?

dubjay · 01-30-2008, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Have you considered the Revolutions?

I haven't. Are those supposed to be pretty strong? I have Sapim CX-Rays on another wheelset that I like a lot, but the cost is somewhat high ($2.50/spoke)

Rob · 01-30-2008, 08:16 AM

I remembered they recommended them for builds at Adrenaline, supposedly pretty strong and light too. I haven't had them myself. I know Jesse has them on his Hadley/819 combo, he's not a small guy.

allison · 01-30-2008, 08:20 AM

Oooh man.. I don't pay a ton of attention to spokes (except on my uber 29er wheels).

I believe when we get my lighter Canzo wheelset built I'll be using double butted spokes and alloy nipples.

I *think* that Justin has the Revolutions on his burly wheelset (which is what I'm running right now).

For 29er... if I wasn't sure (didn't have Justin around to ask) I'd either email MikeSee, or talk to Brian/Donkey. Mike builds 29er wheelsets basically for a living

FoShizzle · 01-30-2008, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubjay

I've started collecting parts for my next wheel build. These will be for my XC FS 29er, which will primarily used for endurance races and rides.

I'll be lacing Stan's Arch's (29) to XTR M975 hubs. I was just going to go with DT Comp spokes, but can I get away with something lighter? Maybe the Supercomps?

What do you guys think? I'm 175lbs (w/o gear)

My general rule is go one more stronger a spoke than you would on a 26er for same "type" of bike/riding.

I am shocked that some people, non XC racers anyway, would use revolutions and some folks wont even build wheels with revoluations when disc brakes are involved, 26er or otherwise.

For what it is worth, for a 26er, for hard XCing for example, I, at 175 lbs, would use supercomps up front and woudl use them on non-drive side out back. On similar bike (ie, XC/AM FS bike) in 29er, i bump it up to Competition FOR SURE given the relative lack of stiffness from the longer spokes.

I would definitely not bother with anything wimpier than Comps myself.....many say i dont know that the hell i am talking about though but you did ask....heck, its not like comps are even heavy.

guero · 01-30-2008, 09:05 AM

throw a set of these on and call it a day.

Pho'dUp · 01-30-2008, 09:10 AM

Are those tubeless?

Quote:

Originally Posted by guero

throw a set of these on and call it a day.

thephat · 01-31-2008, 05:44 AM

Comps should be great.

Revolutions will be pushing it, but could work out.

Maybe try Supercomps.

We mostly do Comps for wheels like this, but we will do Supercomps in some cases, and it ususally works out. The main weekness of Revos and Supercomps in my opinion is that they are a little more vulnurable to rocks.

I have Supercomps (almost as light as revos) on my 29er, but I weigh 155 and that is my lightes bike. I once pinged a spoke off a rock protrusion and it broke. I feel like a Comp would have survived that incident with a dent and gouge, but it's hard to say for sure.

Karl has been known to get away with Supercomps on a 29er wheel, and he is around 2 bills. He rides hard too. I think these questions about wheels always come down to the individual. Rider size is definetely a factor, but there are lots of other factors. In the end, if you want to push the weight savings envelope, you have to experiment a little and find out what works for you.

Flex may also be a concern.

HUGH · 01-31-2008, 07:17 AM

Sapim CX-Rays....

HUGH

FoShizzle · 01-31-2008, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HUGH

Sapim CX-Rays....

HUGH

Hugh, "the man of few words"

HUGH · 01-31-2008, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoShizzle

Hugh, "the man of few words"

What up my NIZZLE ? Its been a while. How is life?

HUGH

Padre · 01-31-2008, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HUGH

Sapim CX-Rays....

HUGH

You mean....$apim CX-Ray$.

HUGH · 01-31-2008, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Padre

You mean....$apim CX-Ray$.

Oh do they cost a lot?? I never look at the price

..

HUGH

WarPony · 01-31-2008, 03:38 PM

I weigh 180 or so...and run supercomps on velocity blunts, but I definitely wouldn't go with the revolutions, too skinny and as thephat pointed out they're a bit vulnerable...just my .02

FoShizzle · 01-31-2008, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HUGH

What up my NIZZLE ? Its been a while. How is life?

HUGH

life is indeed crazy as ever....2007 was perhaps the worst year of my life, short of having a divorce or losing a loved one. still crazy busy but looking up....my sandbagging days are definitely over but i do plan to get into shape by summer for sure! cant wait to ride with you again my friend

01-30-2008, 07:14 AM	#1 (permalink)
dubjay I have UGI	Spoke recommendations for 175lb rider on 29er I've started collecting parts for my next wheel build. These will be for my XC FS 29er, which will primarily used for endurance races and rides. I'll be lacing Stan's Arch's (29) to XTR M975 hubs. I was just going to go with DT Comp spokes, but can I get away with something lighter? Maybe the Supercomps? What do you guys think? I'm 175lbs (w/o gear)

01-30-2008, 07:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
el_d00der1n0 STR Veteran	I used Comps on my recent build, and so far they seem to be doing well for a 200lb rider. My advice though is more about the length: make sure you get the right length. The guy at Beyond Bikes talked me out of the lengths I went there with and I left with spokes that were too long. Now I can't get the wheel tensioned tight enough because I've run out of thread. __________________ My Blog

01-30-2008, 07:34 AM	#3 (permalink)
northshore Aloha Brah!	I don't know anything about spokes but my best recommendation for you is to hide this thread before Foo starts humping your 29er as well. __________________ Hawaiian Island Creations Ride it: dw-link.com/reasons

01-30-2008, 08:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
allison Gone ridin'	Oooh man.. I don't pay a ton of attention to spokes (except on my uber 29er wheels). I believe when we get my lighter Canzo wheelset built I'll be using double butted spokes and alloy nipples. I think that Justin has the Revolutions on his burly wheelset (which is what I'm running right now). For 29er... if I wasn't sure (didn't have Justin around to ask) I'd either email MikeSee, or talk to Brian/Donkey. Mike builds 29er wheelsets basically for a living __________________

01-31-2008, 07:17 AM	#14 (permalink)
HUGH Mashers Only !!	Sapim CX-Rays.... HUGH __________________ http://www.thepathbikeshop.com http://www.wheelbuilder.com

01-30-2008, 07:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
Pho'dUp Peters Canyon Warrior	I hope one of the Mann's chimes in here. I have a AM Classic Disc/Stan's Arches built with double butted spokes. Wicked light hubs, but wheels still came in at just under 1800gm. So that might be a good marker for you. Are you pretty rough on wheels Dubjay? And if you're using these for Endurance races I wonder if that last 100-200 grams are worth it considering you' wouldn't want to bust a wheel 30 miles into 50mile race.

01-30-2008, 07:47 AM	#5 (permalink)
dubjay I have UGI	Wheels usually hold up pretty well for me. The only time I have issues is when a branch or rock gets stuck in them and end up tweaking a spoke or two. Weight savings would actually be minimal. According to DT's spoke calculator, the wheelset would weigh in at 1811g with the Comps, and about 1760g with the Super Comps. I think I might just stick with the Comps to keep it somewhat durable. I know with the last set of Stan's rims I built up, they don't like a lot of spoke tension. I just don't want to end up with something too flexy. I'm thinking of going with the Bontrager Dry X tubeless. I like what you said about the steel tire iron. And yes, I put 29er in the title just to grab Foo's attention..

01-30-2008, 07:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
Rob STR Veteran	Have you considered the Revolutions?

01-30-2008, 08:16 AM	#8 (permalink)
Rob STR Veteran	I remembered they recommended them for builds at Adrenaline, supposedly pretty strong and light too. I haven't had them myself. I know Jesse has them on his Hadley/819 combo, he's not a small guy.

01-30-2008, 09:05 AM	#11 (permalink)
guero iSlay	throw a set of these on and call it a day.

01-31-2008, 05:44 AM	#13 (permalink)
thephat STR Veteran	Comps should be great. Revolutions will be pushing it, but could work out. Maybe try Supercomps. We mostly do Comps for wheels like this, but we will do Supercomps in some cases, and it ususally works out. The main weekness of Revos and Supercomps in my opinion is that they are a little more vulnurable to rocks. I have Supercomps (almost as light as revos) on my 29er, but I weigh 155 and that is my lightes bike. I once pinged a spoke off a rock protrusion and it broke. I feel like a Comp would have survived that incident with a dent and gouge, but it's hard to say for sure. Karl has been known to get away with Supercomps on a 29er wheel, and he is around 2 bills. He rides hard too. I think these questions about wheels always come down to the individual. Rider size is definetely a factor, but there are lots of other factors. In the end, if you want to push the weight savings envelope, you have to experiment a little and find out what works for you. Flex may also be a concern.

01-31-2008, 03:38 PM	#19 (permalink)
WarPony Daring to be Stupid	I weigh 180 or so...and run supercomps on velocity blunts, but I definitely wouldn't go with the revolutions, too skinny and as thephat pointed out they're a bit vulnerable...just my .02

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