Diff'rent Spokes

[el_d00der1n0]

I'm axin' the wife for some rims for xmas cuz I wanna just rebuild on the hubs I have.

1st question: I can't find the exact hubs on the DT Swiss spoke calculator. Does anyone know how to make sure the measurements are right? I'm not sure what "Pitch circle diameter" is.

2nd question: Should I get DT Swiss? or are Wheelsmith spokes good enough? I'm trying to save some $$$$.

3rd question: Do I have to buy 50 of each size? If so, I'll end up buying 200 spokes to fill wheels with only 64 holes total? Jenson has some individual (double butted), but they don't have my sizes.

Edit: I found individuals at BB for .95. 32 bucks a wheel ain't bad...

[mtnbikej]

Originally Posted by el_d00der1n0

I'm axin' the wife for some rims for xmas cuz I wanna just rebuild on the hubs I have.

1st question: I can't find the exact hubs on the DT Swiss spoke calculator. Does anyone know how to make sure the measurements are right? I'm not sure what "Pitch circle diameter" is.

2nd question: Should I get DT Swiss? or are Wheelsmith spokes good enough? I'm trying to save some $$$$.

3rd question: Do I have to buy 50 of each size? If so, I'll end up buying 200 spokes to fill wheels with only 64 holes total? Jenson has some individual (double butted), but they don't have my sizes.

Edit: I found individuals at BB for .95. 32 bucks a wheel ain't bad...

Go to the manufacturer website, they may have the dimensions you seek.

[Mudman]

I believe PCD is the measurment at which the mounting points are spaced, i.e. wheels.

this may help:

[Abui]

I used SpoCalc when I built some wheels. Excel spreadsheet with specs of all hubs and rims.

[el_d00der1n0]

Back is Shimano M-475L
Front is Specialized Hi Lo disc

I went to Shimano's site, and found a parts list, but that was it.

Specialized gave me nothing.

Hmmm...

Maybe I should get new hubs too.

[thephat]

You will need calipers.

I believe they mean spoke whole diameter when they say "Pitch circle diameter" This is the distance center to center between two oposit spoke wholes on one flange. It is easieast measured from the close edge of one spoke whole to the far edge of the oposit. This way, you are not estimating spoke whole centers.

The other measurement that you'll need is the center to flange. This is easiest measured drop out to flange, then supbtract from 1/2 of oeverall hub width for center to flange. So, if it is 22mm drop out to flange on a rear 135 mm hub, your center to flange is 135/2=137.5 minus 22=

Wheelsmith spokes are fine. Some folks feel that the more sudden butting on the wheelsmith can cause a stress riser, but I have never seen this happen. All other things being equal, DT and whlsmith spokes should be about the same price.

We used to use only Wheelsmith, now we use mostly DT.

They were nazzis dude?

[el_d00der1n0]

Originally Posted by thephat

You will need calipers.

I believe they mean spoke whole diameter when they say "Pitch circle diameter" This is the distance center to center between two oposit spoke wholes on one flange. It is easieast measured from the close edge of one spoke whole to the far edge of the oposit. This way, you are not estimating spoke whole centers.

The other measurement that you'll need is the center to flange. This is easiest measured drop out to flange, then supbtract from 1/2 of oeverall hub width for center to flange. So, if it is 22mm drop out to flange on a rear 135 mm hub, your center to flange is 135/2=137.5 minus 22=

Wheelsmith spokes are fine. Some folks feel that the more sudden butting on the wheelsmith can cause a stress riser, but I have never seen this happen. All other things being equal, DT and whlsmith spokes should be about the same price.

We used to use only Wheelsmith, now we use mostly DT.

They were nazzis dude?

No, these men are Nihlists.

What's a stress riser Walter?

[davidB]

can someone confirm this to be correct...

[el_d00der1n0]

Originally Posted by davidB

can someone confirm this to be correct...

One thing I've noticed is the disc hubs should be pretty even in the back (l & r), but offset a little in the front. I don't know if your front is offset enough.

[dubjay]

Originally Posted by davidB

can someone confirm this to be correct...

Any reason why you're using the longer nipples? I've built up 819s before using the standard 12mm ones.

They're kind of a pain to build - those eyelets...bleh...

[davidB]

mavic suggest using 16mm nipples on them

[dubjay]

Originally Posted by davidB

mavic suggest using 16mm nipples on them

If that's the case, then yeah, everything on your spoke calc looks correct. I was just wondering what was causing the huge correction.

[thephat]

Originally Posted by el_d00der1n0

No, these men are Nihlists.

What's a stress riser Walter?

Are we gonna split hairs here? They were threatening broken spokes (castration).

Dam it Donnie your out of your element. A stress riser occurs where a material is forced to take more load in one spot because it the load is not taken evenly. It can be caused by a weld, a gusset, or in this case a sudden change in spoke diameter. I am open to correction or elaboration here from more of an enginere type. The DT tapers much more slowly so that you can barely tell that it's tapered.

They also openly state that as long as you can get good wrench contact, 12 mm is fine. We mostly use the 12 mm nipples even on UST. We have had no problems.

[speckledtrout]

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wha-!?!! ohmigod. sorry. just fell asleep on my keyboard....
damn, if i didn't try to keep up with this thread but i finally officially faded off when DavidB threw up that chart.

[el_d00der1n0]

Originally Posted by speckledtrout

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wha-!?!! ohmigod. sorry. just fell asleep on my keyboard....
damn, if i didn't try to keep up with this thread but i finally officially faded off when DavidB threw up that chart.

Maybe this could help: Some last min shopping just for her....


The chart is a shot of the spoke calc from DT Swiss. If you register (which doesn't take much effort), you can save the calculations for multiple builds. Pretty nifty IMHO.

[PacMan]

I know you said you wanted to save money, but is rebuilding on a rear Deore hub worth it?? You can get pre-built wheels with XT hubs and DT Swiss spokes for less than $200 on a few sites like Jenson and Price Point.

Then have someone who knows what they're doing hand tighten them and you should have a rock solid wheelset for not much dough. If you don't know anyone who knows how, any bike shop mechanic will hand true a wheel for about $10.

As long as you get a rim with quality spokes and they are hand tensioned, you should be good to go. Just throwing out my .02.

[el_d00der1n0]

Originally Posted by PacMan

I know you said you wanted to save money, but is rebuilding on a rear Deore hub worth it?? You can get pre-built wheels with XT hubs and DT Swiss spokes for less than $200 on a few sites like Jenson and Price Point.

Then have someone who knows what they're doing hand tighten them and you should have a rock solid wheelset for not much dough. If you don't know anyone who knows how, any bike shop mechanic will hand true a wheel for about $10.

As long as you get a rim with quality spokes and they are hand tensioned, you should be good to go. Just throwing out my .02.

Funny. For the last couple of hours, I've been hunting around for some XTs. Trouble is, not many places have 6-bolt 32 hole black anymore. I might just post a "Want to Buy" in a couple of weeks.

I want to build my own. I can true a wheel, I think I can handle it. It's like a Jedi building his first lightsabre the way I see it.

[jeffj]

Originally Posted by el_d00der1n0

Funny. For the last couple of hours, I've been hunting around for some XTs. Trouble is, not many places have 6-bolt 32 hole black anymore. I might just post a "Want to Buy" in a couple of weeks.

I want to build my own. I can true a wheel, I think I can handle it. It's like a Jedi building his first lightsabre the way I see it.

They can be found without too much trouble:

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...4&category=740

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...8&category=740

[el_d00der1n0]

Originally Posted by jeffj

They can be found without too much trouble:

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...4&category=740

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...8&category=740

Nicely done. Maybe I was searching on the wrong keywords, but I had a tough time finding them in this hemisphere.

[el_d00der1n0]

I just got an email invoice from Beyond Bikes for two XT hubs.

But I didn't order any????