setting the bead on tubless tires

[sailcalifornia]

Why was i easily able to set my Nevegal with a floor pumb however with the ignitor that i picked up today i pumped and pumped but could not get it to set.

I am going to head down to the gas station tomorrow and use the air compressor, but if there is something else i can do to get the floor pump to work i am all ears.

Thanks,

[foofighter]

dude....last time i changed out my tires i was ready to throw my wheel across the garage. I was so pissed at it...all the other times i was able to as well...i put soapy water on it and everything. i finally took it to my LBS and had them seat the bead.

[coldbrews]

Try using wd-40 it will work as a lube to help pop the bead, then it will dry up, works well.

[foofighter]

i've resorted to a compressor god help me if i burp on the trail...i'll just have to bust out w/ an inner tube

[Dawg2]

I was also able to seat the bead on my Nevegal non UST tire with a Mavic XM819 UST wheel with Stan's sealant installed with no problem but I can't get the dam thing too seal completely it still looses air overnight.HELP!!!

[el_d00der1n0]

Originally Posted by foofighter

i've resorted to a compressor god help me if i burp on the trail...i'll just have to bust out w/ an inner tube

Can't you use co2 on the trail?

[sailcalifornia]

Originally Posted by el_d00der1n0

Can't you use co2 on the trail?

I have been told that Stan's and CO2 dont mix. But on the trail you have to do what you have to do.

[amor587]

Originally Posted by Dawg2

I was also able to seat the bead on my Nevegal non UST tire with a Mavic XM819 UST wheel with Stan's sealant installed with no problem but I can't get the dam thing too seal completely it still looses air overnight.HELP!!!

I've heard that the Nevegal's are very porous and take some work to completely seal. I have a friend that when he installs new tires (he rides the Nevegal's), the day he installs them he keeps the tire and rims in his truck. Then at every stop light he encounters he picks them up and shakes them in the vertical, side to side action and does this through out that day. By the time the day is over it is pretty much sealed.

If you haven't followed the steps in the Notubes website, go over there and watch the video on the sealant tutorial.

Originally Posted by sailcalifornia

I have been told that Stan's and CO2 dont mix. But on the trail you have to do what you have to do.

I use Stan's and I don't own a compressor, so when I put new tires on I use C02, 100% of the time. I haven't had any problems with the combo thus far, I have been doing this for about a year and a half now. I hope what you heard is a myth.

[foofighter]

that's good to know bout canned CO2 because i've read it elsewhere as well that it reacts to the liquid.

[TURNERob]

I've found that non UST Kendas with Stans take 2 or 3 rides sometimes to seal up completely. The sidewalls are very porous. You just gotta ride it and they will seal up eventually.

[Dawg2]

Cool !! I think I just heard my Nevegal call "shot gun"

[Dawg2]

I think that's what I going to do just start riding it and airing it up after each ride until it seals.

[amor587]

Originally Posted by sailcalifornia

I have been told that Stan's and CO2 dont mix. But on the trail you have to do what you have to do.

Originally Posted by foofighter

that's good to know bout canned CO2 because i've read it elsewhere as well that it reacts to the liquid.

Since I've been using the C02 method with Stan's and you guys brought up this point, I decided to do a quick check on the Notubes forum. It seems that you guys have a valid point, and it does react to the sealant. Which may cause the life of the sealant to be shortened. So if it is a must to fill the tire with C02, they mentioned that you should bring the valve stem up to the top ( I guess around the 12 o clock position) and let the sealant flow to the bottom of the tire and then proceed to fill it. That way you don't blast the sealant directly with C02 when filling the tire.

[davidB]

i've been running tubes in my nevegals/819's because I tried twice and failed.

if anyone's going to be at the swap meet with some extra time on their hands and wants to lend me some instructions (already watched the videos) that would help my insanity when it comes to this stuff. I think i'll try again on saturday if i have the time

[foofighter]

definitely makes sense because the sealant reacts to air like when u get a puncture the stuff comes out and then seals so pumping air into the liquid can cause it to react

[danlorek]

i have a compressor that makes it pretty easy. If I'm not using a compressor, taking a tire iron and placing it between the rim and bead and sliding it fully around the rim to pull the tire bead out of the center of the rim and onto the edge of the rim helps it seat with a pump usually.

or, you can take it to the gas station and hit it with a burst of air. even with my compressor i sometimes have to do the tire iron approach.

[bighit8]

I don't know if this i the safest approach but 4x4 use it all the time. Spray a good douse of carb cleaner around the tire, throw on a match and poof the bead will seat. It really works. I have used this to seat beads on a 36" tire on a 18" rim.

[thephat]

Originally Posted by Dawg2

I was also able to seat the bead on my Nevegal non UST tire with a Mavic XM819 UST wheel with Stan's sealant installed with no problem but I can't get the dam thing too seal completely it still looses air overnight.HELP!!!

If you keep refilling it and ride it, it will eventually stop leaking. With the non ust tire, you may have more burping, or the tire may blow all the way off the rim.

Originally Posted by sailcalifornia

Why was i easily able to set my Nevegal with a floor pumb however with the ignitor that i picked up today i pumped and pumped but could not get it to set.

I am going to head down to the gas station tomorrow and use the air compressor, but if there is something else i can do to get the floor pump to work i am all ears.

Thanks,

If you don't have access to compressed air, try inflating your new tubeless tires with tubes in them. Let them sit for a while, then take the tubes out and try again. It can help to let the tire form to your rim a little.

[ShinKen]

Originally Posted by TURNERob

I've found that non UST Kendas with Stans take 2 or 3 rides sometimes to seal up completely. The sidewalls are very porous. You just gotta ride it and they will seal up eventually.

Have almost the same prob with the Ignitors/Salsas on the 29er!! but only riden the thing once since I got it so it looks like I should just keep on riding the thing till it seals.

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by mechmann

best way to go is to have a good air compressor. the coin operated air compressors are not as good.

i have had tires that just refused to seal up. usually they have a kink in the bead or something and won't engage the channel of the rim well.

I have a cheap wall mount unit and paid $99 for. Use it three to four times a week at least.

IMO a air compressor is a must have tool. You will be amazed on how much you use one once you have it. For more things than just tires. Wash your bike and then blow dry....chains.........etc..