Day of Silence and More discussion

[mottmcfly]

Originally Posted by Shannon

George and the mods, thanks for the time you put into STR.



As far as the doohickey, we're on a tight budget these days like everyone else. I gave up a weeks worth of Starbucks and Ben and Jerry's to fit the doohickey in the budget. So if non-doohickey people think that gives me an attitude... well wouldn't you if you went without your caffeine and sugar?

Seriously, how much do we spend on our bikes, accessories, gas to go on rides, etc. Is 40 bucks to help support the costs associated with STR really that big a deal? And before anyone thinks I'm kidding around, yes, we really are on that tight of a budget. And yes, I did really give up my addictions to get the doohickey. I was happy to do it.

Whatever George and the guys decide as far as the day of silence is fine with me. Whether it's the doohickey or non-doohickey people that it applies to I don't care. If it stops the rants and bashing it's well worth it IMO.

My Company recently purchase a Latte "doohickey" that costs us lowly employees nothing so I felt a little obligated to donate and get a STR doohickey of my own. I should have donated a long time ago.

If I'm now not subject to a day of silence, I will observe it anyway. What's good for one of us is good for all of us.

Thanks to all the Mods for all their hard work.

[SAR_boats]

Growing pains. This isn't the first time STR has experienced them and it won't be the last.

When a society (or an online MTB forum) fails to police its own actions, it relinquishes it's freedom to do so, as it's actions will be monitored by the powers that be. Thus, sometimes the best way to display that you have the freedom of speech is to say nothing at all.....


And Remember this:

[b5driver]

Originally Posted by Shannon

George and the mods, thanks for the time you put into STR.



As far as the doohickey, we're on a tight budget these days like everyone else. I gave up a weeks worth of Starbucks and Ben and Jerry's to fit the doohickey in the budget. So if non-doohickey people think that gives me an attitude... well wouldn't you if you went without your caffeine and sugar?

I will let this slide because of your lack of caffeine If you notice in the next sentence after the one of mine you quoted says that this is not always the case, but I have seen it happen.

My goal here wasn't to point any fingers or accuse anyone. This site is a great environment for me to share and especially learn. I, like you I'm assuming, don't want it to turn into something else. The only thing I was concerned about was it turning into an us vs. them thing. But, George does have an excellent point, this website is a privilege and we shouldn't abuse it. Hopefully, this will help people realize that, respect the site, the mods for the work they do, and each other.

BTW, I am signing up for the doo-hickey as a way of supporting George and the rest of the mods for all their hard work.

[mottmcfly]

Originally Posted by b5driver

I will let this slide because of your lack of caffeine If you notice in the next sentence after the one of mine you quoted says that this is not always the case, but I have seen it happen.

My goal here wasn't to point any fingers or accuse anyone. This site is a great environment for me to share and especially learn. I, like you I'm assuming, don't want it to turn into something else. The only thing I was concerned about was it turning into an us vs. them thing. But, George does have an excellent point, this website is a privilege and we shouldn't abuse it. Hopefully, this will help people realize that, respect the site, the mods for the work they do, and each other.

BTW, I am signing up for the doo-hickey as a way of supporting George and the rest of the mods for all their hard work.

I'm glad you're signing up as well. I think a movement of solidarity might be in order here. As a sign of appreciation and a sign that we are all mature enough to take the big "hint" that George has sent. I hope in kind that George will see that the majority of us get what's being said, agree with it and need no further example to move forward within the guidelines.

[spookydave]

George, Just a question as I don't really post here much anymore.

What good will come out of doing this??

like I said, just a question.

[Blue Rat]

In the words of Founding Father Ben Franklin: "They, who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security."

In my humble opinion:

1. Great site and community and I appreciate the wealth of information available.

2. Private site in a public arena, owners should be able to choose how they maintain good order and dicipline.

3. Punishing the masses for the actions of a few? ... well, reread the quote by Ben Franklin.

[ChipsandSalsa]

LBmtb, here's how I see it. A few people have acted like children, so now you are going to treat all non-doo-hickey members like children. I am an adult, and I believe I have conducted myself accordingly when posting on your website. I believe most other members, paying or non-paying, have played within the rules, too.

While it is within your rights to do what you are proposing, I question the wisdom of potentially alienating a significant percentage of your membership base, when it is clearly a handful of members who are creating problems.

Maybe I should just thank you for the "Day off." I am hopeful it will help me to once again realize what is important in life, as I intend to spend the "extra" time with my family, and spend more time on my bike that day.

With any luck, it will reveal to me I should spend less time discussing life, and more time living it.

[CalEpic]

Originally Posted by ChipsandSalsa

With any luck, it will reveal to me I should spend less time discussing life, and more time living it.

You are one of the enlightened

C

[dhshuttlemonkey]

Anything that will bring back our Mountain biking site and weed out all of the crappy, self absorbed, whinny post is fine by me.

btw, I wouldn't mind if you got rid of the pub section either.

[Solo]

Originally Posted by ChipsandSalsa

LBmtb, here's how I see it. A few people have acted like children, so now you are going to treat all non-doo-hickey members like children. I am an adult, and I believe I have conducted myself accordingly when posting on your website. I believe most other members, paying or non-paying, have played within the rules, too.

While it is within your rights to do what you are proposing, I question the wisdom of potentially alienating a significant percentage of your membership base, when it is clearly a handful of members who are creating problems.

Maybe I should just thank you for the "Day off." I am hopeful it will help me to once again realize what is important in life, as I intend to spend the "extra" time with my family, and spend more time on my bike that day.

With any luck, it will reveal to me I should spend less time discussing life, and more time living it.

+1,000. I couldn't have said it any better. Bravo.

While I really enjoy posting and reading others posts here, it is only one of many good MTB sites.

IMO the "elitist" feel of this site is what is getting out of control - starting at the top, then the ones with the "doohickeys", etc.. Remarkably, it's not the ones with the most "thanks".

It is your right to run the forums however you choose and your subjectivity used to censor those with whom you don't agree.

Please give us ample notice if you plan to enact this day of silence, as I will honor it by taking the rest of the week off as well.

[guero]

as a seasoned veteran of str, i honestly don't know where the theory that people with doo-hickies have a sense of an elitest attitude towards those without doo-hickies is coming from.

**edit: i'd also like to add, i feel like i have taken too much heat in the marketplace forum over the past couple of months from users. i've tried to be cool about things, let some things slide, but then i get flamed by people who break the rules because i moderate their posts...i even got flamed for removing a fake for sale ad.

im not asking for pity, what i am asking for is respect of the VERY SIMPLE RULES in the marketplace. if you are in doubt or forgotten them, go read the marketplace sticky.

thanks.

bret, your marketplace moderator

[LBmtb]

Originally Posted by Solo

Remarkably, it's not the ones with the most "thanks".

Really? In may . . . the top five people with most thanks all are subscribers ("doohickey") and only 3 in the top 10 aren't.

http://www.socaltrailriders.org/top-thanks.php

Solo and chips - I think you two are missing what this is supposed to be about. Maybe you're only reading everybody else's response without reading the announcement. If anything this is an anti-elitism thing because it's an anti-drama move. It's a chance for everyone to catch their breath, stop taking STR for granted, and to remember what this community is all about.

If you're getting so upset because you feel that people who support STR get preferential treatment on STR (what a crazy idea!) then I'll change it a bit - it'll be for a small chunk of a day and will go for everyone.

[mottmcfly]

Originally Posted by LBmtb

Really? In may . . . the top five people with most thanks all are subscribers ("doohickey") and only 3 in the top 10 aren't.

http://www.socaltrailriders.org/top-thanks.php

Solo and chips - I think you two are missing what this is supposed to be about. Maybe you're only reading everybody else's response without reading the announcement. If anything this is an anti-elitism thing because it's an anti-drama move. It's a chance for everyone to catch their breath, stop taking STR for granted, and to remember what this community is all about.

If you're getting so upset because you feel that people who support STR get preferential treatment on STR (what a crazy idea!) then I'll change it a bit - it'll be for a small chunk of a day and will go for everyone.

While I do not agree with the "elitist" statement. I think what most are upset with is the simple alienation and being treated like children.

Look what it's accomplished so far.

As far as a small chunk? It doesn't matter if its a month. It's the act not the time limit.

I dont want to sound unappreciative, you guys have made something really special here but this has just gotten silly. I think everyone need to take that "breath".

[1x1clyde]

George,
I appreciate what you are doing and thank you for "reeling in" the mess, its a dirty job!

I have been a member for almost 2 years and miss quite a few of the folks that have dropped off the forum and grow tired of the nastiness in some of the forums lately.
It saddens me that something so simple became so complicated, I thought we were all here to ride, period.
That is how come I have never had a problem giving to the site my time, efforts, support and money.
When my wife, daughter and I moved here 2 1/2 years from Minneapolis all we had for peeps were her family. I love them to death but they cannot ride worth a sh$t so I did a couple local races, met some guys and they turned me onto geoladders.
The 2nd ride I did via geoladders was at the Luge and I met this guy on a Jamis named Jose. He told to check out this site, and here I have been ever since.
I have experienced so many great trails and rides thru STR, its almost unreal.
I count many members here as friends, and that is not a word I use lightly. The honor, caring and integrity that I have experienced with folks from this site make me proud to be a member and call so many of you my friends!
I hope that we can get back to what this has been and can be again.
Thanks for letting me rant, but I do take this site personally...maybe that is not a good thing but its how I roll!