Newbie Ride O'Neill Park's Tijeras Creek/Arroyo Trabuco Loop

[surlygal]

Originally Posted by allison

I normally post really good rides!!

Yes you do!

Your rides have forced me to set goals for myself so maybe someday I will get the pleasure of suffering with you on a ride....

[CeeDubb]

Originally Posted by allison

I normally post really good rides!!

Originally Posted by jeffj

Credit where it's due, without a doubt

Her available credit is very low, if not zero with this last ride post.

I'm all for pain, but I'll be doing another century on Sunday and that'll be hot enough.

[ShinKen]

Originally Posted by allison

I don't think it really mattered, but I will heed your advice

hey I still think u guys can do it and fully support ya for a heavy ride!! I may even join but it all depends how the heat kicks our tails this week!!

[Rob]

I normally wouldn't be able to ride on Saturdays, but seeing how I am unemployed and all...I'll be there!

[KeepsWhatHappens]

Originally Posted by genusmtbkr5

[i]Yes, there's a bmx stunt area complete with gaps like in X games. We will be going by there.

Gene:
If you're planning on hitting the Waterworks Singletrack your route is probably going to look more like this.

http://www.geoladders.com/show_route.php?route=4571

This route started at Daily's in RSM for a night ride but the mileage will be about right. Only change would probably be we'd be sticking to the bottom of Arroyo Trabuco to cross all the creek crossings (5) and minimize elevation gain.

Make sure to hit "Twisty Tire" on the initial climb out of O'Neill. That'll get everyone bitching right from the start. Oh wait - I assumed you are going clockwise. I would hightly recommend clockwise travel on this route. That's the way it's usually done.

I'll volunteer to lead any adventurous folks desiring more advanced terrain into "lesser known" singletracks should anyone be up for that. eg. Gilleran Ridge, Chiquita Ridge, Ladera Ridge, etc.

KeepsWhatHappens

[Jordansrealm]

We will be going counter clockwise, atleast thats how Gene and I have always done it. I have probably only passed 4 people going against our direction in the past 2 years. That way you are going through the fun stuff on a slight downhill and having fun instead of climbing through it. Also, when we end back at the top of Oneil Park we can DH the new little singletrack section and make it more fun than climbing it. This ride is afterall going to be packed with a good portion of newer people and people that want to practice going through rocks, water, etc...

[KeepsWhatHappens]

Carry 25-32 oz of fluids per hour you expect to out there on the ride.

FYI there are places to fuel up along the way. Water fountains at Canada Vista Park, Sheel Station near RSm Parkway and Plano Trabuco and most importantly is a handy Gatorade vending machine located at the icon on this map. At the Tijeras Creek Golf Course Driving Range.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...686a49629b9bc4

It is about 100 yards off the trail on the way back up hill and about 1/4 mile off the trail on the way down...assuming we go clockwise. $2 a bottle.

KeepsWhatHappens

[Jordansrealm]

Originally Posted by KeepsWhatHappens

Gene:
If you're planning on hitting the Waterworks Singletrack your route is probably going to look more like this.

http://www.geoladders.com/show_route.php?route=4571

This route started at Daily's in RSM for a night ride but the mileage will be about right. Only change would probably be we'd be sticking to the bottom of Arroyo Trabuco to cross all the creek crossings (5) and minimize elevation gain.

Make sure to hit "Twisty Tire" on the initial climb out of O'Neill. That'll get everyone bitching right from the start. Oh wait - I assumed you are going clockwise. I would hightly recommend clockwise travel on this route. That's the way it's usually done.

I'll volunteer to lead any adventurous folks desiring more advanced terrain into "lesser known" singletracks should anyone be up for that. eg. Gilleran Ridge, Chiquita Ridge, Ladera Ridge, etc.

KeepsWhatHappens

On a side notes thanks for putting together that BELL VIEW TRAIL route on Geoladders. I followed it today and it turned out to be a great ride. Never been back there before.

[KeepsWhatHappens]

Originally Posted by Jordansrealm

We will be going counter clockwise, atleast thats how Gene and I have always done it. I have probably only passed 4 people going against our direction in the past 2 years. That way you are going through the fun stuff on a slight downhill and having fun instead of climbing through it. Also, when we end back at the top of Oneil Park we can DH the new little singletrack section and make it more fun than climbing it. This ride is afterall going to be packed with a good portion of newer people and people that want to practice going through rocks, water, etc...

I see your points but I've logged this 36 times on Geoladders and ridden it many more and I can tell you people are not going to enjoy heading uphill on Chiquita Ridge. It's much easier heading downhill along the ridge and cruising up through the creekbed. A creekbed like Trabuco is almost flat. The "Jungle" is fun going up or down and so are the creeks, but Chiquita and Tijeras Creek aren't so fun going uphill (for beginners).

Plus it's better to hit the creeks on the latter part of the ride or people's bike are going to be seizing up.

Check the Geoladders log. Several riders say it is much better clockwise.

KeepsWhatHappens

[genusmtbkr5]

Originally Posted by KeepsWhatHappens

Gene:
If you're planning on hitting the Waterworks Singletrack your route is probably going to look more like this.

http://www.geoladders.com/show_route.php?route=4571

This route started at Daily's in RSM for a night ride but the mileage will be about right. Only change would probably be we'd be sticking to the bottom of Arroyo Trabuco to cross all the creek crossings (5) and minimize elevation gain.

Make sure to hit "Twisty Tire" on the initial climb out of O'Neill. That'll get everyone bitching right from the start. Oh wait - I assumed you are going clockwise. I would hightly recommend clockwise travel on this route. That's the way it's usually done.

I'll volunteer to lead any adventurous folks desiring more advanced terrain into "lesser known" singletracks should anyone be up for that. eg. Gilleran Ridge, Chiquita Ridge, Ladera Ridge, etc.

KeepsWhatHappens

Ya John, In was going to talk to you about doing a harder route for those interested on Sat and see if there will be any takers.

As far as the easy route, we will be going from the trail head into the open space on Arroyo/Trabuco, then turning onto Tijeras Creek and to the trail where Tim crashed, cross Oso to Waterworks and jungle section.

[KeepsWhatHappens]

Don't want to spook anyone and with our large group I'm sure we'll see little wildlife except the lead riders but this was just posted on Geoladders for this route on 8/21 (yesterday).

"MOUNTAIN LION - just saw one, 7:10 p.m., after the big water crossing at the bottom of the loop. I came around a corner, where the sheer drop to the left is, erroded from the creek, and he was only about 100 ft. ahead, yeah, trotting along, and looking back a few times. I whistled loud and he moved a bit quicker. Then off into the bushes. 150lb. would be my guess. Looked pretty healthy."

I've seen one in the Jungle last summer. Of course we should all know these cats could be anywhere in these parts even roaming the neighborhoods of Rancho.

KeepsWhatHappens
http://www.johnearly.com/rides

Originally Posted by Jordansrealm

On a side notes thanks for putting together that BELL VIEW TRAIL route on Geoladders. I followed it today and it turned out to be a great ride. Never been back there before.

You're welcome. Check my dashboard on Geoladders for alot of other personal routes that many people don't know exist in this area around RSM/Ladera/San Juan.

KeepsWhatHappens
http://www.johnearly.com/rides

As far as the easy route, we will be going from the trail head into the open space on Arroyo/Trabuco, then turning onto Tijeras Creek and to the trail where Tim crashed, cross Oso to Waterworks and jungle section.

So you're doing the Jungle after Waterworks? Does that mean your're not going up Tijeras Creek Trail on the way back then up to Chiquita Ridge/Bell Vew Trail?

The "Jungle" or "Cambodia" is just north of the Tijeras Creek/Arroyo Trabuco Trail Junction.

KeepsWhatHappens
http://www.johnearly.com/rides

[allison]

Originally Posted by mechmann

I called it!

...notice they said at 7:10? That's nearly dark. Not the best time to be riding in the so Cal woods

I'm sure in the morning no one is going to have a problem, especilally with the group size.


... just make sure you aren't DFL!!


jk...

[OMR]

[quote=allison;94241
I'm sure in the morning no one is going to have a problem, especilally with the group size.


... just make sure you aren't DFL!!


jk...[/quote]

Remember, grasshoppers, you only have to be a little bit faster than the last guy.... munch, munch!

OMR

[Fired Yo Momma]

Guys I am going to do this ride with you. I have a question, what would you recommend to bring besides water, small snack, and tube? Since this is a newb ride and look a little more terrain challenge compared to Santiago what else would you guys recommend bringing so everyone is somewhat prepared? Thanks

[Jordansrealm]

Originally Posted by Fired Yo Momma

Guys I am going to do this ride with you. I have a question, what would you recommend to bring besides water, small snack, and tube? Since this is a newb ride and look a little more terrain challenge compared to Santiago what else would you guys recommend bringing so everyone is somewhat prepared? Thanks

I dont know what you carry in your camelbak but here is a brief rundown of what I carry in mine no matter where I ride. If its a longer ride I add a few more items.

Water
Pump
Tubes
Co2
Spare chain links
One tire lever just in case
Multi-Tool
Duct Tape
Snake Bite Kit
Mini First Aid Kit
Knife
(prob forgot something)

If the mileage seems high for you then I would suggest bringing some snacks. I bring Clif Shots for energy and Clif Bars for snacks. It shouldnt take us very long to get through this so I dont think you need to worry about packing an entire lunch.

[jeffj]

OK, I think this looks like I've got the general area down for where to meet, but can someone (preferrably the ride organizer) please place an "X" where everyone is supposed to meet.

[surlygal]

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