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Old 07-23-2007, 12:06 AM   #21 (permalink)
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F... I need that!! Im running it early next week.. anyone ready for a dawn run?
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Old 07-23-2007, 08:43 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I'll post it. BTW, you guys didn't find a cell phone on Coldwater did ya?
Sorry, didn't happen to see one But, I wasn't looking!
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Old 07-23-2007, 09:40 AM   #23 (permalink)
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i was certainly toast after the ride and can feel the legs today. i was initally in a world of hurt, kinda in a drug-induced phase of semi-coherent state on the climb from the vicoden. felt alittle better later in the ride. yea you gotta love steep/slidy trails to enjoy this one, espeically the last mile note too self:don't do LONG SA rides until the fall!
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:35 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Indeed, plus they are a blast to ride with...well, except for dft.

Nice write up Allison!

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Old 07-23-2007, 01:00 PM   #25 (permalink)
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nice pics.. makes me wish I had time and went along to meet you guys and the ride looks like a lot of fun.

I guess I have nothing to compare a hard ride to an easy ride other than just being a hilly area, what is some of the more difficult sections of this ride?
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Old 07-23-2007, 01:43 PM   #26 (permalink)
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nice pics.. makes me wish I had time and went along to meet you guys and the ride looks like a lot of fun.

I guess I have nothing to compare a hard ride to an easy ride other than just being a hilly area, what is some of the more difficult sections of this ride?
Coldwater is definitely not beginner friendly. I'm a fairly strong intermediate rider (er...at least when I'm somewhat familiar with terrain), and it was tough for me.

The ride starts out with a 6.5 mile climb up Indian Truck Trail. You climb about 2500ft in that distance. From there it's more climbing on Main Divide. We ended up with around 4000ft of climbing total. You probably climb up about another 800-1000ft in the 4 miles to Upper Holy Jim from the turn off of Indian Truck Trail to Main Divide.

Coldwater is about 5 miles long, and you descend all 4000ft in that distance. There are also 2 hike a bikes, so in total you probably end up descending slightly more. The top has some fun ridge sections and other cool parts. A lot of it is fairly deep leaves and DG (decomposed granite) where your tires just sink and usually head off the side of the hill. Once you climb the final hike-a-bike it's really about a mile of descent and probably close to 1000ft. The majority is really steep, really loose dirt/sand.

One guy had a FS 4" 29er bike, but aside from that, I had 6" FS, Ben had his 5.5, Denny was on a Nomad 6", Mark was on a Bullit 7", DFT was on his Stinky (?) that probably had 7-8", and Justin was on his Socom with 7-8" of travel. Not a really HT friendly ride either

There are a ton of good rides in the area that would be good on a HT, but this probably isn't one of them. To be honest, there are plenty of better singletracks also

Definitely try out Trabuco, Holy Jim, and San Juan before attempting Coldwater.
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Old 07-23-2007, 02:27 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Definitely try out Trabuco, Holy Jim, and San Juan before attempting Coldwater.
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Old 07-23-2007, 02:29 PM   #28 (permalink)
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yea, the last mile after the last hike-a-bike we call skiing with your bike! or lock and load baby!! i'm one of the few weirdos that truely loves ultra steep/slidy trails, so i was at home some of the straightaway sections that are slightly off camber are comedy to watch people as you gradually drift to one side, back tire fishtailing everywhere. for comparison, if folks have ridden can't see bottom drop on bell ridge, there are long sections of coldwater that are about say 15% easier than can't see bottom (that is only like 100 feet verticle) for long stretches. and also, this trail has the hardest switchbacks of any trail i have ridden. good job all, it was a baker out there!

ps. more than suspension, a slack head angle, large tires and good brakes are the most imporant thing (not real rocky at all)
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Old 07-23-2007, 02:29 PM   #29 (permalink)
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If you're interested in riding with some STR peeps I think there will be plenty out at the rides this weekend being hosted by Adrenaline. One locally in OC and then a demo day/bbq up at Big Bear(?).
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Old 07-23-2007, 03:46 PM   #30 (permalink)
 
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You guys have a link to the trailhead or route directions for us up in LA?
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Old 07-23-2007, 03:58 PM   #31 (permalink)
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You guys have a link to the trailhead or route directions for us up in LA?
Geoladders -- Indian Truck Trail - Coldwater Trail
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:22 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Looks like y'all had a very fun time. I've been wanting to ride HJ (I've never done it before), but hopefully that's not in the too distant future for me!
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Old 07-23-2007, 07:36 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Nice RR. I love this kind of trail but one of the things that bums me out about Coldwater is that the bottom half is a reroute of the orginal trail. This reroute is for the most part of one big redicuRUT that is not really sustainable. Now granted I have vitrually not lifted a finger to help out with this trail (Debrushed a small section while on a ride there once) so I have really not earned much right to complain.

I would love to see some efforts put into getting a recreational easement through the development that blocked access to orginal trailhead and restore the orginal route. The original line follows contours enough that it would be sustainable. As it stands right now, Coldwater trail does not even go into Coldwater Canyon.

Here is a link to a map that shows the orginal line.

My 2 cents.
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Old 07-23-2007, 09:17 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Once again, awesome RR. Ben was telling a few tales of the adventure on our Daley ride this morning. Sounded, umm, interesting to say the least.

Of course, he left out the begging for water part
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Old 07-23-2007, 09:26 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Once again, awesome RR. Ben was telling a few tales of the adventure on our Daley ride this morning. Sounded, umm, interesting to say the least.

Of course, he left out the begging for water part
Why do you think I only brought one waterbottle today?
I drank so much water over the night, I had no room left!
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:47 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:09 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Ok, so after this "little" ride, I think we're gonna have to step it up a notch. I'm thinking up HJ - down Coldwater - up ITT - down Trabucco. I'll have lots of food and beer at my truck for those who follow!
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:12 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Ok, so after this "little" ride, I think we're gonna have to step it up a notch. I'm thinking up HJ - down Coldwater - up ITT - down Trabucco. I'll have lots of food and beer at my truck for those who follow!
My Lord, what would the elevation gain be on that?? Is that one of the Counting Coup training rides you were talking about?

As long as the weather is cool enough, and the pace was friendly enough, I'd be down.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:19 PM   #39 (permalink)
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My Lord, what would the elevation gain be on that?? Is that one of the Counting Coup training rides you were talking about?

As long as the weather is cool enough, and the pace was friendly enough, I'd be down.
This is just some sickness I came up with.
37miles with 8450ft of climbing. Add 10 miles if we don't park at the trailhead and ride in!
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:22 PM   #40 (permalink)
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This is just some sickness I came up with.
37miles with 8450ft of climbing. Add 10 miles if we don't park at the trailhead and ride in!
If I'm not mistaken, aren't those CC-esque numbers?
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