Illegal Jump Built on SJT

[OMR]

Originally Posted by Chopper

Actually, to be honest SHARE stands for Stupid Hikers Are Ruining Everything....In case anyone cares.

Robin, we still love you!

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[Kid A]

Originally Posted by Chopper

before that Dell's Angels.

I heard of commuter bike but a computer bike? am aware OCC made one for HP however

[dft]

3 things majorly wrong
1. absolute bonehead place to build it, gives major ammo to seirra clubers. what was he thinking, masive hikers up there
2. not skinny enough!
3. not high enough!

[jcampbell]

All this reminds me of what is happening out in the Imperial Sand Dunes (Glamis). I think its pretty funny that two years ago they cought a sierra club member poaching the closed areas and having a buddy take pictures of him to send in.

That jumps looks so wierd and has such a flat landing that it had to be built by some idiot (never been there, its just the pictures look like its pretty flat). Don't get me wrong, i wish we had more places to build things, its just you have to do it in the right areas.

Was it a sierra member just to get a good photo? I just wonder who actually hit that jump, landing on the flats with no transition hurts like hell! Not to mention, isn't SJT out in the middle of the hills (never been there, but heard its a pretty long shuttle and out ortega). What would happen if you take a good digger? Good luck walking out.

[Edog]

We all knew about this jump, pictures where posted on this site 2 weeks ago. I actually rode right by it. There was even a disscussion about going to ride it!
Should we be more proactive about reporting these issues to the Forest Service etc. We could have reported this & removed it 2 weeks ago & prevented the ammo for the evil minds that plot aganist us.
Yes it's a bone head move to build in a high traffic area, but as a responsible group maybe we should have done something about it. Nobody likes a snitch, but anybody can search our boards, who knows they might have been tipped off about this from reading the ride reports from the SJ suffer fest.
If we can educate other riders about towing the line, we have a much better chance of increasing our credability a group. This ramp wasn't built by a gang of 14 year olds. Just the logistics of getting the lumber there must have been well thought out.
Flame on Flamers

[allison]

E - you've got a point. I guess that's a question I should've asked Mark. He doesn't work with anyone in the Trabuco district, but does work as a rep for the district in San Diego, and specifically Noble Canyon. I'll have to ask him what and he and the Noble regular's would've done had they seen this down there.

Though, I imagine the ramp took more than a day to build, so they probably would've seen it in the midst of building.

The other thing is that if someone wanted to build a skinny somewhere, they should've carted the lumber down to that washed out area to make it easier to get over I am always worried about falling in the ravine/creek/rut when I walk my bike over the logs...

But this one in question was really close to the campground. Just not the best place. It may not be discovered in some other areas, but anyone out for a 2mi round trip hike would've caught sight of it. I've shuttled SJT before also, and we didn't take this way down, so not sure why it was built there in the first place. It isn't near the shuttle trailhead at all. It's way down through the campground.

[Shu]

If the materials were all there it would only take a few hours-1/2 day max to build by 2 people who knew what they were doing....

MAYBE it was built by the Sierra Club to use as ammo against mtn bikers for their cause????

[Flat Broke]

Originally Posted by Chopper

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you are defending this person's right to build a jump on a public trail but at the same time opposing building on and destroying open spaces. What's the difference? If I have a right to build an artificial structure like this one, why can't I just go ahead and build myself a little cabin on it also?

It's a funny thing about the internet, no matter what you write someone always either takes it the wrong way, or purposely manipulates the intent of your message. I mean seriously, do you really characterize the obliteration of most of the non protected open space in So Cal in the same manner as building some stunts on a trail?

If you were trying to make a point about the potential ambiguity in my post and how it could be used in an argumentative fashion to show how "stupid" MTBers are, fine, point taken. If you honestly believe there is no distinction between wreckless development and consumption of open lands by real estate developers, and building some wooden ladders and a couple dirt jumps on the side of a trail, nothing I'm going to be able to type or say will matter anyhow.

Waldo,

With regard to your post, I agree the term "responsible" is as subjective as it comes. As evidenced by this thread, we all have varying ideas on what the term might mean. Some would say responsible means building a nice landing to accompany the ladder , while obviously there are some that would prefer the ladder never have been built regardless of where it was placed.

I'm not saying that we should plunder our forests in the name of fun and excitement just so the issue is on the radar. I don't want to see more people on the trails, but I also can't afford the influence to have things go the way I might want them, and as such see plublicity in the form of public use as a means to bring more awareness to the issue. There are tons of people out there that go up into the mountains once or twice a year that have no idea of a lot of the issues at hand. A large percentage of these people are oblivious to groups like Sierra Club and have no idea of their agenda and how it may affect use everyone's use of the National Forests.

I agree 100% that we need to take efforts to preserve our natural resources and the beauty of the open lands we have left. I have a 19 month old girl and a little niece or nephew on the way, and I want them to see the things I've seen and more. I just want to make sure my little girl, her siblings, her kids, and their kids etc. are able to actually get out and enjoy these places without so many restrictions and rules that the true beauty and freedom of the experience is lost to laws, rules and regulations. We probably want the same thing, just have different ways of saying it.

Chris

[MOSH1DH]

who really knows who put it up. there's no tire mark's, so it doesn't look like anyone hit it yet.
the hiker's in the pic could have put it. then went crying to the sierra club. there is no reason to ride a big bike at sjt. my 2 cents

[Krunk]

That looks more like a wooden rollercoaster.

[OMR]

Originally Posted by Flat Broke

It's a funny thing about the internet, no matter what you write someone always either takes it the wrong way, or purposely manipulates the intent of your message. If you were trying to make a point about the potential ambiguity in my post and how it could be used in an argumentative fashion to show how "stupid" MTBers are, fine, point taken.

Chris,

Your point about how things are interpreted on the internet is well taken. You are obiously a thoughtful person and unfortunately people are quick to catagorize when others express themselves. If you really think about it, we are always locked in a philosophical struggle: the rights of the person (individual) vs the rights of the people (masses). The framers of our constitution struggled with this same problem in a larger way: states rights vs the federal government.

In a country built on rugged individualism, we are giving more and more of our freedoms away... especially after 911. A ramp built by unknown parties out in the middle of a national forest is certainly not a national issue but one that needs to be addressed by locals (and is being addressed as I write)... and taken care of for the benefit of all. No one likes all the rules and regulations that surround us today... especially MTBers... it's in our nature... but what is the alternative. We must live and work within the rules and change them legally if we do not agree. This is our right.

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[Pain Freak]

Considering how and where it was built....why do we assume mtb'ers even built it? Could it be a ploy from some nature nazi group who could now use this as ammo against us?

[xhuskr]

OK.....i've been reading most of the entries today. IMO, any jump of this nature should not be found in nature, but rather in some sort of jump park . It just looks so out of place in more than one way. Even Del Cerro does not have big wooden jumps (to my knowledge). Are we out there to ride the mountain or make jumps made from the raw materials provided by the mountain?
I can't recall who it was who said it should be relocated, but if there was a place it could be put legally, I'd help with the relocate.

And yes.....the web does provide EVERYONE with an opportunity to speak/type their mind whether or not we agree with them......thank you Constitution!

[OMR]

The offending ramp was demantled late this afternoon by a Forest Service directed party of mountain bikers.... gone but not forgotten...

Really interesting the discussions that this sparked. Thanks all for your inputs.... we all all one tribe!

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[guero]

did u bubbs save it?

[OMR]

Originally Posted by guero

did u bubbs save it?

He was there as STR was represented!

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[guero]

i mean, did you guys bring it home so we can put it in someones backyard to play on.

[DHS]

it does look like some hikers built it. a big wooden bridge jump, that lands to flat.

what a waste of wood

[genusmtbkr5]

Originally Posted by mtber3737

He was there as STR was represented!

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Originally Posted by Shu

If the materials were all there it would only take a few hours-1/2 day max to build by 2 people who knew what they were doing....

MAYBE it was built by the Sierra Club to use as ammo against mtn bikers for their cause????

Originally Posted by Pain Freak

Considering how and where it was built....why do we assume mtb'ers even built it? Could it be a ploy from some nature nazi group who could now use this as ammo against us?

Mike, I was there and it was put together with wood screws and the 2 front post were cemented in. These guys knew what they were doing. This ramp, although illegal in a sense, was built well and have been ridden on as evidence from the tire marks. This wasn't the first ramp they've built.

Originally Posted by DHS

it does look like some hikers built it. a big wooden bridge jump, that lands to flat.

what a waste of wood

Originally Posted by guero

i mean, did you guys bring it home so we can put it in someones backyard to play on.

I'm sure the wood will be put to good use. The ramp is gone but not forgotten. My whole take in this is this: For those of you who didn't know where it was, it was built about 150 yards or so from the camp grounds at Blue Jay on a main trail head. It was out of place and should not have been there in the first place. I agree, it is ashame that it had to be taken down, but taken down none the less. Although we may not agree why it was built or why it should be taken down or even where it should be put next, I know that we can all agree that we don't need our rights to ride certain trails be revoked because of anyone person or persons doing something like build a ramp where most hikers and campers are. We as a group need to be more responsible than the others because like it or not, we're the ones they're gunning after.