Trail work on the Luge

[bikelmo]

Ok, I was one of the ones riding the singletracks this morning, and I greatly appreciate everything you guys are doing to fix up STT and the Luge. It's nice to know that people who CARE about the trails are working on them rather than grading everything to oblivion --- not that this happens around here anywhere. . .
So thanks for the work and thanks for the photos!

[TrojanInsomniac]

Many thanks for your hard work........can't wait for the Luge to reopen. Hopefully by then, I may be living in the OC!

[hoovermd]

Originally Posted by genusmtbkr5

It seems this post has become more negative than a positive one, which is why I may no longer post anything I do.

Too bad you see it that way, because there really isn't too much negativity going on.

It seems that there is quite a bit of frustration being vented WRT some stupid governmental policies.

And what is wrong with using the chain gangs exactly? Seems that the state is already paying for the labor so why not put it to work?

And one shouldn't be alltogehter to surprised if the WS gets knocked once in a while. Their "invitation only" policy does make them seem a bit elitist at times.

[Ladd Jasper]

Drama aside, looks like you've all put in some hard work. Thanks, guys.

Originally Posted by OMR

The gap has become bigger due to the rain run-off. We added another routed around the gap for those that don't particularly want to jump it... but the jump is still there for those riders who want to take it... just a bit bigger now.

And with all those tools up there, you're enhancing the lip accordingly, right?

Originally Posted by hoovermd

I understand that they don't want every yahoo with a pulaski out there unstuporvised...

Don't know if this spelling was intentional...but it should've been! Definitely a candidate for new favorite "word"

[thephat]

Man, those pictures show a beautifull day out there. I can't wait to get back to that part of the Santa Anas. Thanks for doing the work.

It's cool crash. You and I don't invite the whole world on all of our missions either.

[maxwell]

Originally Posted by genusmtbkr5

No we are not using local chain gangs, so don't start putting ideas in peoples heads. Bottom line is, the USFS has their policies and if it were up to me, I'd post up a trail day and get the public out to help. I tried to set up trail work at Whiting but was turn down because they had their own "workers" already and was told they couldn't manage any more workers. I try to work with the agencies "in charge" so we can at least get some work in. It seems this post has become more negative than a positive one, which is why I may no longer post anything I do.

Gene, believe me, I'm with you, I'd much rather have the guy's that love to ride the trails, work on the trails, and NOT the chaingangs.
What would they care if they jacked up OUR trails?
And I wasn't trying to be real negitive, I was just being me. It rubbed me the wrong way with how the original post was started.
If it would have started with....
"The Warriors Society was up early this morning and out on the trail.... no bikes this time... just picks, shovels & fench building supplies.",
I would have been first to throw out a big thanks.
Believe me, I know how hard you guy's worked, and it is appreciated. That's why I did say thanks in my first post.
I've gone out and done trailwork sessions on my own, and do aggree that sometimes less help is better.
But, I would never start it off as, "while I'm working my ass off for you guy's, you're out having fun".
I know it wasn't worded quite like that, but it pretty much sent the same meaning. At least to this old dog.

So, keep up the hard work, and know I'll be there when the time comes.

[hoovermd]

Originally Posted by Ladd Jasper

Don't know if this spelling was intentional...but it should've been! Definitely a candidate for new favorite "word"

I always measure my words carefully.

I am also a fan of the word "Stupidvisor", "Idiocracy" and a few others that some folks fond inappropriate here.

[ladera Dave]

Great work Guys, Please let the share members know when you need help, we will be there with a army of workers.

[NitrOx]

Originally Posted by maxwell

For this club to get the all around recognition that you guy's seem to crave, you need to remember that there are more of us "mear mountain bikers" that are also willing and able to work those same trails that we all ride and love, than WS Members.

I agree!

[Padre]

At least the trail work was happening on a trail the masses actually ride.

Also, where's the test to become an approved FS Volunteer.
Will I need to study?
Is agile shovel handling required?
Who defines "rideable" as trail work is being done?

And why, why, why is Chino Hills being worked on? I've ridden it once, and never ever again.

[Darkhelmet]

It does seem that if the Forest Service were genuinely interested in returning the Cleveland to users with any haste it wouldn't be limiting the number of people doing the work. It would be nice if land managers would find the effort to oversee a public work day themselves instead of leaving it to a select few. I do see rangers handing out plenty of non-compliance notices at the San Juan trailhead on Saturday mornings, so it's clear that there isn't a manpower shortage.

I can appreciate the work the Warriors are doing, but their priviledged access to the closed public lands the rest of us yearn to ride is, frankly, getting old.

[guero]

Originally Posted by Darkhelmet

I can appreciate the work the Warriors are doing, but their priviledged access to the closed public lands the rest of us yearn to ride is, frankly, getting old.

amen.

[mtnbikej]

Originally Posted by Padre

At least the trail work was happening on a trail the masses actually ride.

And why, why, why is Chino Hills being worked on? I've ridden it once, and never ever again.

Think you answered your own question with your first statement.

Originally Posted by Padre

Also, where's the test to become an approved FS Volunteer.
Will I need to study?

Start here and contact the local ranger station.

[mtnbikej]

From Cleveland National Forest Website:

"
The Trabuco Ranger District, surrounded by Orange and Riverside Counties, has a variety of volunteer opportunities available.
Field Projects include:

• Road and Trail patrols, maintenance and repair (multi-use trails (hikers, mountain bikers, equestrians), roads, OHV).
• Refurbish trailhead kiosks, signboards and trail signs
• Trailhead monitors - check signs, area, materials, registration forms
• Trail inventory hikers - assist FS staff with trail assessments and inventories
• Land Steward/Restoration - help with restoration projects and removal of non-native species restoration program
• Develop and lead interpretive programs - Santa Ana Mountains Natural History Association
• Develop a forest Junior Ranger program
• Staff the Visitor Center at El Cariso (Ortega Highway)
• Adopt-A-Trail or ongoing project
• Wildomar OHV (Off Highway Vehicle) Area - needs help with trail maintenance, fencing, habitat restoration, signage and patrolling
• Forest Ride-Along program - assist staff in recreation areas and on patrols
• Miscellaneous projects include fence repair, habitat restoration, graffiti removal and maintenance"

[BrewMaster]

Originally Posted by Padre

And why, why, why is Chino Hills being worked on? I've ridden it once, and never ever again.

Clearly we should neglect trails that you don't like riding and let them fall into disrepair. What were we thinking....

Feel free not to show up.

[Wrecker]

While I love and adore you all, I tend to agree on the wording. We all know that there are several people on here that would have gladly joined in on the trail work instead of riding sweet singletrack, etc. And, we all have a love of the trails, regardless of any group affiliation, that should never be overlooked.

That being said, I think you're just being a bit hard on Greg. They were after all, just words, and we all know that Greg is not of the elitist sect of mtn bikers, just emphasizing his work.

As for the trail work, it has sucked, in all parks. Not only did Gene try to schedule trail work at Whiting, but so did SHARE (an open membership mtn biking group that advocates and takes responsibility for organizing trail work in the local parks in the same way as Warrior's in the Nat'l Forest). SHARE has members that have participated in, and led, several trail work events, but the county rejected any and all help. That sucks (can we all agree on that at least)?

But, now at least we are able to get a group in to assist with the Luge trail that has mtn biking in mind, experience with trails, and desires to continue having ridable, sustainable trails that we all can enjoy (even you freak DH'ers)

I think that, instead of biatching, we should take this opportunity to use our advocates to re-create the trails we love. What was focused on during the trail work? What was changed? What do you guys think trails the last time you saw them and what would you want to keep/change?

Screw elitism, people are only elite if you accept them as being such. Now, you can all flame me