Laguna Wilderness - Why is Everything Closed?

[SKULLY]

Originally Posted by danlorek

i've never been there, nor do i live in the area... with that being said, why are these trails closed? if they were around in the 80s and 90s, they don't appear to be "newly cut" trails, right? They sound very well established.

sometimes it's hard for me to conform to what the man says when it's just retarded.

I feel the same way. If a trail was there before the city or a land manager took over it should stay open to
whomever was using it. Back in the late 80's and early 90's I rode everywhere. I rode trails and roads that no
one ever used...it was exciting to see where you would end up.....to explore new areas. Now the small single
track has to be 8 feet wide with signs pointing out the local flora and gaurd railed switch backs. Everything has to be so easy.....don't people like to explore and be challenged and get a sense of accomplishment out of going to a new place that they had to give a little effort and work to get to? I miss those days and feel
bad for the future generations that have to get out to
cool locations on a paved foot path.

[TURNERob]

Originally Posted by mechmann

Really?

People ride trails that they aren't supposed to?

Really?

I mean, really?

I like your avatar sig

[dutch]

i've ridden at lcw once, and I went down lizards first and laguna ridge second. I remember getting to the end of lizards and saying to my buddy, "Its crazy that something that fun is legal." Guess its not so crazy after all. Laguna ridge was excellent though, at least that is legal.

[madrider]

Originally Posted by SKULLY

I feel the same way. If a trail was there before the city or a land manager took over it should stay open to
whomever was using it. Back in the late 80's and early 90's I rode everywhere. I rode trails and roads that no
one ever used...it was exciting to see where you would end up.....to explore new areas. Now the small single
track has to be 8 feet wide with signs pointing out the local flora and gaurd railed switch backs. Everything has to be so easy.....don't people like to explore and be challenged and get a sense of accomplishment out of going to a new place that they had to give a little effort and work to get to? I miss those days and feel
bad for the future generations that have to get out to
cool locations on a paved foot path.

I agree, I get a kick out of the name Laguna "Wilderness". I'm waiting for the concession stands to go up...when they do, I hope they put them in at the top of the climbs.

I also agree, that if a trail is open before they start to manage it, and it's not causing any harm, let it be. Just don't put it on the map so its use is limited to word of mouth, and therefore decreasing its use. There are already enough trails for hikers with strollers to use.

I've also been riding these trails for the last ten years and hate to see them formally closed (marie calenders). Rangers used to turn a blind eye, now I see a lot of signs and tickets being issued, it blows. It's a 3ft wide path next to a 100ft wide asphalt freeway, give me a break(!).

Read the mtbr link posted earlier, it does make a good point about dividing mtb'ers that follow the legal trails and those that think it stinks and poach. I don't have the solution, however one of the good things about the mtb explsion to the masses is that we should *theoretically* have a larger voice, and we should use it.
Hmmmm, how old do toddlers in strollers on trails need to be before they can sign a petition?...

[Rivet]

Originally Posted by madrider

It's a 3ft wide path next to a 100ft wide asphalt freeway, give me a break(!).

Exactly. It has nothing to do with wilderness management and everything to do with power.

[ipahead]

it is bad,im selling my bike and taking up rollerblading.sounds like 4 or 5 trails left between lwp and el morro.hikers and bikers dont mix.

[thephat]

Originally Posted by ipahead

it is bad,im selling my bike and taking up rollerblading.sounds like 4 or 5 trails left between lwp and el morro.hikers and bikers dont mix.

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There are a lot of trails that are legal in those parks. Some of them are even fun and challenging.


There still aught to be a lot more trails. It would be good to creat some fun downhill oriented trails, and try to give hikers and uphill trafic another way to the same points. This would help get the trafic to flow with more safety and less conflict.

[solo_rider]

Originally Posted by mazda-monkey

It is a shame they can build a giant toll lane directly through that area which results in trash, broken glass, car parts strewn along the highway (not to mention the vehicle emissions messing up the air) but we cannot bike / hike on trails that are already there. I know rules are rules and they are just doing their job, but damn.

The 73 toll road opened in Nov 1996.

Marie calendars singletrack "officially" closed in 2007 with sign postage. Prior to, mountain bikers in the area have been riding it for decades.

Too bad. The image below says it all...

[danlorek]

Originally Posted by solo_rider

The 73 toll road opened in Nov 1996.

Marie calendars singletrack "officially" closed in 2007 with sign postage. Prior to, mountain bikers in the area have been riding it for decades.

Too bad. The image below says it all...

wow... that is such bs!! i mean, seriously? who does this?

I have two dirtbikes sitting in my garage that require at least one hour of driving to be able to legally ride them. i live in san diego, where the MX movement (which is a pretty damn large one might I add) started.

I'm not endorsing riding "illegal" trails, but I personall often find myself ignoring things that make absolutely NO sense. That place would get wiped out in a heartbeat if someone through enough money at the city for it.

[Rivet]

Originally Posted by solo_rider

The 73 toll road opened in Nov 1996.

Marie calendars singletrack "officially" closed in 2007 with sign postage. Prior to, mountain bikers in the area have been riding it for decades.

Too bad. The image below says it all...

Dude, that is awesome. can I use this?

[solo_rider]

Feel free. I can give you the full res version if you want.

[kentonn]

Originally Posted by LBmtb

I don't think geoladders is the best source of information when it comes to what's legal and what's not. They even had telonics up there for awhile.

True, there have been several illegal trails listed on Geoladders... The Telonics route however, was never an "Official" Geoladders route.

[Chopper]

Originally Posted by solo_rider

The 73 toll road opened in Nov 1996.

Marie calendars singletrack "officially" closed in 2007 with sign postage. Prior to, mountain bikers in the area have been riding it for decades.

Too bad. The image below says it all...

Marie Calendar's was never a legal trail so to say that it was officially closed in 2007 is misleading. Just because a trail is not signed as closed does not mean it's open. Knowing which trails are open and which ones are closed is as simple as picking up a park trail map.

As far as mountain bikers riding it for decades, this is true but with the opening of the Ridge Park entrance, the traffic on MC and NBTD has increased 10 fold at least. At some point, the park rangers have to put their foot down.
There is a lot more going on here than most typical trail users are aware of.

[CPATCRASH]

Originally Posted by Chopper

Marie Calendar's was never a legal trail so to say that it was officially closed in 2007 is misleading. Just because a trail is not signed as closed does not mean it's open. Knowing which trails are open and which ones are closed is as simple as picking up a park trail map.

As far as mountain bikers riding it for decades, this is true but with the opening of the Ridge Park entrance, the traffic on MC and NBTD has increased 10 fold at least. At some point, the park rangers have to put their foot down.
There is a lot more going on here than most typical trail users are aware of.

Just don't tell anyone about the natural beer spring thats down there....

[Rivet]

[quote=Chopper;173581]At some point, the park rangers have to put their foot down.[quote]

Why? What is so bad about those trails? Are they ruining the view of the 8000 cars an hour that pass by on the tollroad?