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uzziboy · 12-12-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowgirl

If the jumps are at the top of the 3rd B in the big field area then they are on private property and not part of the park...Once you head thru the new gate on the climb your on private property until you drop off the top onto the singletrack that was plowed. Those jumps have been there for years...if that is where the jumps are I wouldn't worry about it effecting our trails in Santiago oaks.

This is what i'm refering to, so i guess 2w4s has to be more clear on where these jumps are located

Cowgirl · 12-12-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jcampbell

Where's doublewide when you need curb style water bars installed? I have pictures of the Oaks 10 years ago and I hate to say it but that place looks hammered (even before the fires) now from back then. I wish we could go in there and close the entire top trail, roto it and plant it, and let it grow for a few years. In the meantime, dig a single side trail (much like the old single off the 2nd b) that shoots along the ridge under the peak over to the drop area or where the weir loop enters the ridge trail. This way, we no longer have to go under the gate of the 3rd B and we don't have to worry about the mule screwing up the trail since they can use the fire road below. We could then make an awesome single track along that canyon ridge all the way to the shoots without even touching the ridge trail that will be in rehab. Once it rehabs, we still get to ride the single track trail we made and we fight for it to stay open.

It would be great to build an all singletrack loop in that park.

You should contact me and come to the trails meetings and discuss this with the committee and see what they can do.

Waldo · 12-12-2007, 10:43 AM

Oaks, Aliso, Whiting, etc., are designated wilderness parks. Trails are inevitable to allow some access, but jumps take the intended use of these areas in a whole different direction. There are plenty of places where jumps can be built: They're not needed in these parks. All it would take is one hiker or equestrian to object, or worse, get hurt, and we'd all be out of the park.

Please huck elsewhere.

tkblazer · 12-12-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Waldo

There are plenty of places where jumps can be built: They're not needed in these parks.

can you make a list of legal areas to build jumps?

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Originally Posted by Waldo

All it would take is one hiker or equestrian to object, or worse, get hurt, and we'd all be out of the park.

i would love to see a hiker or equestrian hit the jumps

foofighter · 12-12-2007, 11:44 AM

we've seen trail changes that are deliberate; although it's not a fun like a jump but we've seen a handful of people get caught out on the fully loop...i dont think they're riding out of control there...

2w4s · 12-12-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by uzziboy

This is what i'm refering to, so i guess 2w4s has to be more clear on where these jumps are located

sorry, not talking about the jumps up top, these were on the main trail and are horribly built jumps.

tkblazer · 12-12-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 2w4s

sorry, not talking about the jumps up top, these were on the main trail and are horribly built jumps.

i'll be there tomorrow morning and will scope them out and see how bad they are

dstepper · 12-12-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Waldo

There are plenty of places where jumps can be built:

Wish that was true, if it is I would like to know where.

My sugestion is to go get your urban huck on.

Dean

2w4s · 12-12-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tkblazer

what jumps are you talking about? the ones off the trail? if you can't ride it, don't try to...we mountain bike, it is an inherently dangerous sport in which you can get hurt at any time. There are small drop offs on Chutes that can take someone out if they do not ride it correctly..Should we remove those too?

you're right, I can't jump or do drops. I only race semipro DH for the chicks, but thanks for playing...

Notice I said 'stupid' jumps with 6inch, almost vertical
lips? These jumps are stupid and not really even jumpable, and no I'm not talking about the ghey ones at the top either, these are on the main trail. I'm all for building jumps. Good jumps. I spent all last winter building some very good jumps, about 15 of them. Jumps should be built where appropriate and they should be built well, that is my point.

Rockinthecasbah · 12-12-2007, 05:00 PM

Im with building the good jumps, some people have no clue, theyre are diffeent styles and then theyrs crap. Some poeple think theyre cool puttin a 2 foot tall lip to knowhwhere that kicks you over the bars

g-dub · 12-12-2007, 05:12 PM

I assume we're talking about the 12" jumps on Zips. They've been popping up and getting taken down randomly for a couple years now. Haven't complained openly though, since the folks who are doing it are not exactly going to respond to me going hall monitor on them. I figure some people are selfish, and that's how it is, I won't change them. I plan on riding that loop while I can, before we all get shut down by whoever's doing this.

But is it really worth losing the whole park over such lame jumps?

roadkillross · 12-12-2007, 05:26 PM

tk got served.

jcampbell · 12-12-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by roadkillross

tk got served.

Hilarious...

I just got back from the B's and yes, these are the exact same lame speed bump jumps that we had last year. This time last year we even had them at the bottom of Zips that if you weren't ready, could put you on the ground fast.

They suck so bad they shouldn't have even been called jumps. Rc cars couldn't even jump it with that steep of a transition. Not to mention they are only curb height at best.

Von-Diggity · 12-12-2007, 06:39 PM

If they are that lippy, they were probably built by some BMX riders. They prefer the really lippy jumps to get the big air. The lippy ones scare me though. There used to be a whole set of really lippy jumps at Turnbull that the BMX guys were hitting for some big air time.

RacinJason · 12-12-2007, 06:55 PM

I was up there today and I noticed the little kid jumps on the side of the trail . Yeah they are worthless. I hit them on a DH bike and it was like hitting a bump in the road. I think it is about as much as a kid can do with small hand tools.

The good news is the rain fixed a lot of the trails.

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Originally Posted by 2w4s

you're right, I can't jump or do drops. I only race semipro DH for the chicks, but thanks for playing...

Notice I said 'stupid' jumps with 6inch, almost vertical
lips? These jumps are stupid and not really even jumpable, and no I'm not talking about the ghey ones at the top either, these are on the main trail. I'm all for building jumps. Good jumps. I spent all last winter building some very good jumps, about 15 of them. Jumps should be built where appropriate and they should be built well, that is my point.

socal ridur · 12-12-2007, 07:03 PM

i think i know what you guys are talking about now. i like those when im just druizing down or blating they sorta just pop me up for a like a 2 foot air

theres like a couple at the deep trench bermy setion on lower chutes and then 1 as you go down from the small climb on chutes also if those are the ones your talking about

mazda-monkey · 12-12-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mtnbikej

Yes, the trails are man made......over time they have been established. When people build jumps, they usually happen quick. The trails change very little from day to day. However, when jumps are built they usually pop up within a day or two. This not only destructive, but dangerous as well.

Example: you ride a trail you know like the back of your hand....you know where every single rock and bump are. Now you go out one day to ride that trail. Someone has built a jump in the trail and you are not expecting it. You crash....you get hurt....you sue the county for the jumps being in the trail.....trails get shut down.

Now you may not do all the above....but someone will, eventually. Santiago Oaks has enough problems right now. It does not need someone going up and doing unauthorized "trailwork".

Even true with trail maintenance-
Water runoff channels built in the middle of the trail in a day. Or, remember when someone cut steps into the hill on the small trail that joins the paved roads from top of the world to Meadows? I rode over that hill 50 times, then one day I crest over and theres a freaking stairway on the other side.

RacinJason · 12-12-2007, 07:14 PM

I think what he was trying to say is if your going to put in the effort make something cool.

Small kickers that are 6-12 inches are not all that fun.

I bet they are fun on a BMX bike . the shocks absorb them.

Rockinthecasbah · 12-12-2007, 08:00 PM

I'll drag my brakes over them for everyone on saturday

Waldo · 12-12-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dstepper

Wish that was true, if it is I would like to know where.

My sugestion is to go get your urban huck on.

Dean

Exactly. Every sidewalk has potential, as long as you build 'em right.

12-12-2007, 10:43 AM	#23 (permalink)
Waldo Lebowski Urban Achiever	Oaks, Aliso, Whiting, etc., are designated wilderness parks. Trails are inevitable to allow some access, but jumps take the intended use of these areas in a whole different direction. There are plenty of places where jumps can be built: They're not needed in these parks. All it would take is one hiker or equestrian to object, or worse, get hurt, and we'd all be out of the park. Please huck elsewhere. __________________ Just because the bike can do it doesn't mean the rider can! "My ass is sore after a long ride." - MtnKitty

12-12-2007, 11:44 AM	#25 (permalink)
foofighter Duan'er - 29'er remixed	we've seen trail changes that are deliberate; although it's not a fun like a jump but we've seen a handful of people get caught out on the fully loop...i dont think they're riding out of control there... __________________ -Duan Dulce et Decorum Click the Button

12-12-2007, 05:00 PM	#30 (permalink)
Rockinthecasbah A.D.D. unleashed	Im with building the good jumps, some people have no clue, theyre are diffeent styles and then theyrs crap. Some poeple think theyre cool puttin a 2 foot tall lip to knowhwhere that kicks you over the bars __________________ All Previous Races and Events 50% offf check it out !!!!!!!!!!! Get that pic you almost bought for half off !!!! http://www.RobbinsPictures.com

12-12-2007, 05:26 PM	#32 (permalink)
roadkillross Throw some Dee's on it	tk got served. __________________ Offroadie-"I ride a fixed gear, but I'm no hipster." dirttorpedo- "i like the runs..........:

12-12-2007, 07:03 PM	#36 (permalink)
socal ridur freerider	i think i know what you guys are talking about now. i like those when im just druizing down or blating they sorta just pop me up for a like a 2 foot air theres like a couple at the deep trench bermy setion on lower chutes and then 1 as you go down from the small climb on chutes also if those are the ones your talking about __________________ downhill, because golf and football only require one ball Quote: Rockinthecasbah ...today was the first day I felt like 7 inches wasn't enough

12-12-2007, 05:12 PM	#31 (permalink)
g-dub Member	I assume we're talking about the 12" jumps on Zips. They've been popping up and getting taken down randomly for a couple years now. Haven't complained openly though, since the folks who are doing it are not exactly going to respond to me going hall monitor on them. I figure some people are selfish, and that's how it is, I won't change them. I plan on riding that loop while I can, before we all get shut down by whoever's doing this. But is it really worth losing the whole park over such lame jumps?

12-12-2007, 06:39 PM	#34 (permalink)
Von-Diggity	If they are that lippy, they were probably built by some BMX riders. They prefer the really lippy jumps to get the big air. The lippy ones scare me though. There used to be a whole set of really lippy jumps at Turnbull that the BMX guys were hitting for some big air time. __________________ You are not what you own. -Fugazi

12-12-2007, 07:14 PM	#38 (permalink)
RacinJason STR Veteran	I think what he was trying to say is if your going to put in the effort make something cool. Small kickers that are 6-12 inches are not all that fun. I bet they are fun on a BMX bike . the shocks absorb them.

12-12-2007, 08:00 PM	#39 (permalink)
Rockinthecasbah A.D.D. unleashed	I'll drag my brakes over them for everyone on saturday __________________ All Previous Races and Events 50% offf check it out !!!!!!!!!!! Get that pic you almost bought for half off !!!! http://www.RobbinsPictures.com

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