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slowSSer · 09-20-2007, 10:59 AM

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ODB · 09-20-2007, 11:01 AM

Ruling strips Landis of Tour de France Crown

By Eddie Pells, The Associated Press
PARIS — Floyd Landis lost his expensive and explosive doping case Thursday when the arbitrators upheld the results of a test that showed the 2006 Tour de France champion used synthetic testosterone to fuel his spectacular comeback victory, The Associated Press has learned.
The decision, handed down nearly four months after a bizarre and bitterly fought hearing, leaves Landis with only one more outlet to possibly salvage his title — an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
According to documents obtained by AP, and to be made public later Thursday, the vote was 2-1 to uphold the results, with lead arbitrator Patrice Brunet and Richard McLaren in the majority and Christopher Campbell dissenting.
The decision means Landis, who repeatedly has denied using performance-enhancing drugs, must forfeit his Tour de France title and is subject to a two-year ban, retroactive to January 30, 2007.
If Landis doesn't appeal, he'll be the first person in the 105-year history of the race to lose the title because of a doping offense.
In its 84-page decision, the majority found the initial screening test to measure Landis' testosterone levels — the testosterone-to-epitestosterone test — was not done according to World Anti-Doping Agency rules.
But the more precise and expensive carbon-isotope ration analysis (IRMS), performed after a positive T-E test is recorded, was accurate, the arbitrators said, meaning "an anti-doping rule violation is established."
"As has been held in several cases, even where the T-E ratio has been held to be unreliable ... the IRMS analysis may still be applied," the majority wrote. "It has also been held that the IRMS analysis may stand alone as the basis" of a positive test for steroids.
The decision comes more than a year after Landis' stunning comeback in Stage 17 of the 2006 Tour, one that many people said couldn't be done without some kind of outside help. Flying to the lead near the start of a grueling Alpine stage, Landis regained nearly eight minutes against the leader, and went on to win the three-week race.
"Well, all I can say is that justice has been done, and that this is what the UCI felt was correct all along," Pat McQuaid, leader of cycling's world governing body, told The Associated Press by telephone. "We now await and see if he does appeal to CAS.
"It's not a great surprise considering how events have evolved. He got a highly qualified legal team who tried to baffle everybody with science and public relations. And in the end the facts stood up."
Landis insisted on a public hearing not only to prove his innocence, but to shine a spotlight on USADA and the rules it enforces and also establish a pattern of incompetence at the French lab where his urine was tested.
Although the panel rejected Landis' argument of a "conspiracy" at the Chatenay-Malabry lab, it did find areas of concern. They dealt with chain of command in controlling the urine sample, the way the tests were run on the machine, the way the machine was prepared and the "forensic corrections" done on the lab paperwork.
"... the Panel finds that the practises of the Lab in training its employees appears to lack the vigor the Panel would expect in the circumstances given the enormous consequences to athletes" of an adverse analytical finding, the decision said.
The majority repeatedly wrote that any mistakes made at the lab were not enough to dismiss the positive test, but also sent a warning.
"If such practises continue, it may well be that in the future, an error like this could result in the dismissal" of a positive finding by the lab.

slowSSer · 09-20-2007, 11:04 AM

you beat me to the punch- threw this out over in "the pub"

i was hoping the verdict would be otherwise...

surlygal · 09-20-2007, 11:09 AM

This makes me very sad......

sladnas · 09-20-2007, 11:22 AM

...brings shame to my family name...

JoeTruth · 09-20-2007, 11:22 AM

One of these days these athletes trying to get that extra advantage over the competition will realize “when you play, you pay”. It's astounding to think with all the testing taking place and modern technology, how these athletes still believe they can outsmart and beat the system. UCI is not consistent enough and I don’t blame TDF officials for wanting to implement their own testing and use their own governing body.

I had more respect for Floyd when he was a support rider for USPS/Lance working his arss off for the betterment of the team and hence help Lance win. Always loved his energetic wheelies post finish stages. Now, he's just another doper trying to outsmart and outlast the judicial system. What's next, Mike Tyson adamantly denying he ever bit off Holyfield's ear or he ever raped that poor girl? I don't think so!

Von-Diggity · 09-20-2007, 12:39 PM

I am still not convinced that he is guilty. The chemical test they used to determine his guilt makes some pretty broad assumptions about the ratio of isotopic carbons. Granted, the test will be able to detect diffeing ratios of C12/C13 between the the two types of steroids being tested for, one can not assume that the source of the isotopic steroids was a man made substance. Different types of plant substances can yield the steroid precursors in such ratios that would indicate doping. Besides, taking steroids just before a race like the Tour would not have any effect on race results.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeTruth

One of these days these athletes trying to get that extra advantage over the competition will realize “when you play, you pay”. It's astounding to think with all the testing taking place and modern technology, how these athletes still believe they can outsmart and beat the system. UCI is not consistent enough and I don’t blame TDF officials for wanting to implement their own testing and use their own governing body.

I had more respect for Floyd when he was a support rider for USPS/Lance working his arss off for the betterment of the team and hence help Lance win. Always loved his energetic wheelies post finish stages. Now, he's just another doper trying to outsmart and outlast the judicial system. What's next, Mike Tyson adamantly denying he ever bit off Holyfield's ear or he ever raped that poor girl? I don't think so!

foofighter · 09-20-2007, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Von-Diggity

I am still not convinced that he is guilty.

everything after this sentence went right over my head...

LOL

papisimo11 · 09-20-2007, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeTruth

One of these days these athletes trying to get that extra advantage over the competition will realize “when you play, you pay”. It's astounding to think with all the testing taking place and modern technology, how these athletes still believe they can outsmart and beat the system. UCI is not consistent enough and I don’t blame TDF officials for wanting to implement their own testing and use their own governing body.

I had more respect for Floyd when he was a support rider for USPS/Lance working his arss off for the betterment of the team and hence help Lance win. Always loved his energetic wheelies post finish stages. Now, he's just another doper trying to outsmart and outlast the judicial system. What's next, Mike Tyson adamantly denying he ever bit off Holyfield's ear or he ever raped that poor girl? I don't think so!

Apparently you forgot how he(Landis) told Vaughters(former Postie now DS at Slipstream) that the Postal team had a motobike with paneers full of blood for the team to dip into after stages.
It is still very difficult to detect autogolous blood transfusions, hence Lance never getting caught.
Floyd was found to have exogenous testosterone in his body. His defense was BS.
paz afuera

2wheel_lee · 09-20-2007, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foofighter

everything after this sentence went right over my head...

LOL

That's funny...I read the first line then moved on to the next post.

FoShizzle · 09-20-2007, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Von-Diggity

I am still not convinced that he is guilty. The chemical test they used to determine his guilt makes some pretty broad assumptions about the ratio of isotopic carbons. Granted, the test will be able to detect diffeing ratios of C12/C13 between the the two types of steroids being tested for, one can not assume that the source of the isotopic steroids was a man made substance. Different types of plant substances can yield the steroid precursors in such ratios that would indicate doping. Besides, taking steroids just before a race like the Tour would not have any effect on race results.

chemical tests are ghey

No Peench · 09-20-2007, 01:26 PM

Sadly this will probably be the extent of the "media" coverage on the Tour from here on. Even this year, very little coverage was seen in the mainstream outlets. If anything made it to the news, it was reserved to maybe a 15-30 second clip. It definitely lost the interest after Lance retired.

jcampbell · 09-20-2007, 03:05 PM

In my opinion...
the truth... there is no truth in sports. clear wasn't found until a trainer who couldn't handle his conscience decided to turn it in. how many people used that. how can there not be another drug that hasn't been found out by the UCI or Olympic panels. dope and science will never be completely abolished in sports. hell, where do you think Gatoraid or Cytomax came from. i am not saying its dope but its man made performance enhancers... just on a different level. half of whats in gnc or max muscle is banned by the UCI and is considered performance enhancing dope... most cancer patients take EPO to gain energy. there is just too many things, and too many minds working to create this stuff for athletes because it probably pays a hell of a lot better than family medical practices.

dirtmistress · 09-20-2007, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papisimo11

Apparently you forgot how he(Landis) told Vaughters(former Postie now DS at Slipstream) that the Postal team had a motobike with paneers full of blood for the team to dip into after stages.
It is still very difficult to detect autogolous blood transfusions, hence Lance never getting caught.
Floyd was found to have exogenous testosterone in his body. His defense was BS.
paz afuera

I don't think it was "used" after stages. I believe it was brought to them at night to be used the next day.
I remember reading that Vaughters said that Floyd got pictures of it. No wonder Lance had it in for him.
He was probably blackmailing him with photo's.
What a bunch of lunatics. I was such a HUGE racing fan. Even went to '04! But I crashed out in the '07 tour when Vino got busted.

I still like to watch the racing but I have to admit I lack the enthusiasm I used to have. I trust no stage win at all. How sad that they are destroying the only things that keep them racing! Fans and sponsors! Idiots!

Pain Freak · 09-20-2007, 09:29 PM

I think that it was altered ( the test on Landis) the protocals were not followed and it was a split panel, so even the people who had all the info were not convinced. I'm not saying it should be thrown out because of a technicality, I believe he was not taking drugs. In order for the type of testosterone to work, he would have to be taking it during training and it would of helped that way, but would have little to no effect as a one time use.

After this years dropped out and kicked out riders I think most riders have come to the realization that they won't get away with taking drugs or blood doping. Even if a team member is involved, it looks like the sponsors will pull the plug. It should help the sport in my opinion.

RidetheRAAM4 · 09-21-2007, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pain Freak

I think that it was altered ( the test on Landis) the protocals were not followed and it was a split panel, so even the people who had all the info were not convinced. I'm not saying it should be thrown out because of a technicality, I believe he was not taking drugs. In order for the type of testosterone to work, he would have to be taking it during training and it would of helped that way, but would have little to no effect as a one time use.

After this years dropped out and kicked out riders I think most riders have come to the realization that they won't get away with taking drugs or blood doping. Even if a team member is involved, it looks like the sponsors will pull the plug. It should help the sport in my opinion.

I think the fact that they are being so persistant with the Landis case is just for the fact that they want all the other riders to know that even if they suspect that you could be doping, they are going to try and bust you over and over and over and over again.

surlygal · 09-21-2007, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pain Freak

I believe he was not taking drugs.

I 2nd that

It is a very sad situation, and there is nothing (obviously

)that can be done about it.

I remember the day the "news" came out, it su$ked then and does now...

The sad thing is - how many riders that were "tainted" during that race.

S54MCoupe · 09-25-2007, 11:32 AM

My friends who raced with him before he got the ban say he's a really, really nice guy. I guess that counts for something?

09-20-2007, 10:59 AM	#1 (permalink)
slowSSer ali'i hua	Floyd, Floyd all null and void ... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20889737/ __________________ "...the weather will continue to change, on and off, for a long, long time" -Al Sleet, the hippy dippy weatherman RIP George Carlin http://www.myspace.com/setswim

09-20-2007, 11:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
ODB Team Sting-Ray	Floyd, Floyd all null and void ... Ruling strips Landis of Tour de France Crown By Eddie Pells, The Associated Press PARIS — Floyd Landis lost his expensive and explosive doping case Thursday when the arbitrators upheld the results of a test that showed the 2006 Tour de France champion used synthetic testosterone to fuel his spectacular comeback victory, The Associated Press has learned. The decision, handed down nearly four months after a bizarre and bitterly fought hearing, leaves Landis with only one more outlet to possibly salvage his title — an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. According to documents obtained by AP, and to be made public later Thursday, the vote was 2-1 to uphold the results, with lead arbitrator Patrice Brunet and Richard McLaren in the majority and Christopher Campbell dissenting. The decision means Landis, who repeatedly has denied using performance-enhancing drugs, must forfeit his Tour de France title and is subject to a two-year ban, retroactive to January 30, 2007. If Landis doesn't appeal, he'll be the first person in the 105-year history of the race to lose the title because of a doping offense. In its 84-page decision, the majority found the initial screening test to measure Landis' testosterone levels — the testosterone-to-epitestosterone test — was not done according to World Anti-Doping Agency rules. But the more precise and expensive carbon-isotope ration analysis (IRMS), performed after a positive T-E test is recorded, was accurate, the arbitrators said, meaning "an anti-doping rule violation is established." "As has been held in several cases, even where the T-E ratio has been held to be unreliable ... the IRMS analysis may still be applied," the majority wrote. "It has also been held that the IRMS analysis may stand alone as the basis" of a positive test for steroids. The decision comes more than a year after Landis' stunning comeback in Stage 17 of the 2006 Tour, one that many people said couldn't be done without some kind of outside help. Flying to the lead near the start of a grueling Alpine stage, Landis regained nearly eight minutes against the leader, and went on to win the three-week race. "Well, all I can say is that justice has been done, and that this is what the UCI felt was correct all along," Pat McQuaid, leader of cycling's world governing body, told The Associated Press by telephone. "We now await and see if he does appeal to CAS. "It's not a great surprise considering how events have evolved. He got a highly qualified legal team who tried to baffle everybody with science and public relations. And in the end the facts stood up." Landis insisted on a public hearing not only to prove his innocence, but to shine a spotlight on USADA and the rules it enforces and also establish a pattern of incompetence at the French lab where his urine was tested. Although the panel rejected Landis' argument of a "conspiracy" at the Chatenay-Malabry lab, it did find areas of concern. They dealt with chain of command in controlling the urine sample, the way the tests were run on the machine, the way the machine was prepared and the "forensic corrections" done on the lab paperwork. "... the Panel finds that the practises of the Lab in training its employees appears to lack the vigor the Panel would expect in the circumstances given the enormous consequences to athletes" of an adverse analytical finding, the decision said. The majority repeatedly wrote that any mistakes made at the lab were not enough to dismiss the positive test, but also sent a warning. "If such practises continue, it may well be that in the future, an error like this could result in the dismissal" of a positive finding by the lab.

09-20-2007, 11:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
slowSSer ali'i hua	you beat me to the punch- threw this out over in "the pub" i was hoping the verdict would be otherwise... __________________ "...the weather will continue to change, on and off, for a long, long time" -Al Sleet, the hippy dippy weatherman RIP George Carlin http://www.myspace.com/setswim

09-20-2007, 11:09 AM	#4 (permalink)
surlygal goin all the way!!!	This makes me very sad...... __________________ tkblazer: " i'm a freakin roadie now" Wrecker: "Although six inches is fine with me, it'll have to be white. "

09-20-2007, 11:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
JoeTruth Don't touch me!	One of these days these athletes trying to get that extra advantage over the competition will realize “when you play, you pay”. It's astounding to think with all the testing taking place and modern technology, how these athletes still believe they can outsmart and beat the system. UCI is not consistent enough and I don’t blame TDF officials for wanting to implement their own testing and use their own governing body. I had more respect for Floyd when he was a support rider for USPS/Lance working his arss off for the betterment of the team and hence help Lance win. Always loved his energetic wheelies post finish stages. Now, he's just another doper trying to outsmart and outlast the judicial system. What's next, Mike Tyson adamantly denying he ever bit off Holyfield's ear or he ever raped that poor girl? I don't think so! __________________ "People... they don't write anymore - they blog. Instead of talking, they text, no punctuation, no grammar: LOL this and LMFAO that. You know, it just seems to me it's just a bunch of stupid people pseudo-communicating with a bunch of other stupid people in a proto-language that resembles more what cavemen used to speak than the King's English." Hank

09-20-2007, 11:22 AM	#5 (permalink)
sladnas Gumby	...brings shame to my family name...

09-20-2007, 01:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
No Peench Member	Sadly this will probably be the extent of the "media" coverage on the Tour from here on. Even this year, very little coverage was seen in the mainstream outlets. If anything made it to the news, it was reserved to maybe a 15-30 second clip. It definitely lost the interest after Lance retired.

09-20-2007, 03:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
jcampbell going my speed since 1975	In my opinion... the truth... there is no truth in sports. clear wasn't found until a trainer who couldn't handle his conscience decided to turn it in. how many people used that. how can there not be another drug that hasn't been found out by the UCI or Olympic panels. dope and science will never be completely abolished in sports. hell, where do you think Gatoraid or Cytomax came from. i am not saying its dope but its man made performance enhancers... just on a different level. half of whats in gnc or max muscle is banned by the UCI and is considered performance enhancing dope... most cancer patients take EPO to gain energy. there is just too many things, and too many minds working to create this stuff for athletes because it probably pays a hell of a lot better than family medical practices.

09-20-2007, 09:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
Pain Freak Peanut butta jelly	I think that it was altered ( the test on Landis) the protocals were not followed and it was a split panel, so even the people who had all the info were not convinced. I'm not saying it should be thrown out because of a technicality, I believe he was not taking drugs. In order for the type of testosterone to work, he would have to be taking it during training and it would of helped that way, but would have little to no effect as a one time use. After this years dropped out and kicked out riders I think most riders have come to the realization that they won't get away with taking drugs or blood doping. Even if a team member is involved, it looks like the sponsors will pull the plug. It should help the sport in my opinion. __________________ If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests? “Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body—but rather a skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, ‘Wow, what a ride!’ ” —anon.

09-25-2007, 11:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
S54MCoupe STR Veteran	My friends who raced with him before he got the ban say he's a really, really nice guy. I guess that counts for something? __________________ Team Bearclaw www.teambearclaw.com

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