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Pain Freak · 11-02-2006, 07:31 PM

Half a Year of Mayhem
That's one way to describe developments in pro cycling since May. And it keeps getting crazier.
Spanish legal authorities have ruled that nothing turned up by the doping investigation called Operation Puerto may be used by anyone anywhere to sanction cyclists. At last count, 58 pros had been implicated in a Madrid-based doping network.
Nine of the riders were prohibited from riding the Tour de France on suspicion that they were users of illegal performance-enhancing drugs or blood-boosting methods. Included were Tour favorites Jan Ullrich and Ivan Basso. They've been out of competition since.
Now they can race again -- if they can find teams. ProTour squads remain opposed to signing riders who are under suspicion.
Meanwhile, the International Cycling Union (UCI) says the Spanish judicial decision gives it no choice but to allow the riders back in the sport. That makes the UCI unhappy and critical of "the highly confusing general context of Operation Puerto."
That could be called an understatement.
The UCI has even granted a ProTour license to Manolo Saiz for the 2007 season. Saiz, once manager of the Liberty Seguros team, was the first big name implicated in the Operation Puerto investigation, supposedly having been nabbed with bags of frozen blood and a suitcase full of money.
Now Saiz and the 58 riders are off the hook. For now, anyway. The UCI says it will still bring sanctions if and when Spanish officials declare that any riders or team personnel are guilty as once charged.
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gurp13 · 11-02-2006, 07:35 PM

Okay, Frank, go ahead and make your comment here. Then, Dean and Jose can chime in, too.

That sucks for those guys. I don't get the whole guilty until proven innocent thing in cycling.

Pain Freak · 11-03-2006, 06:38 AM

I guess it's more of a European thing. .

SAR_boats · 11-03-2006, 07:20 AM

What do you expect? This situation is brought to you by the same people you brought you The Spanish Inquisition and the Slaughter of the Aztecs. They have had practice. I think the only people who could be more effective at overlooking proper judicial proceedings would be the Germans. But we all know what happened the last time we let them run anything. Waffen SS death squads on bikes, anyone?

dirttorpeedo · 11-05-2006, 06:43 AM

how do you think i won the norba nats.? dope isnt just for breakfast anymore!

Pain Freak · 11-05-2006, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirttorpeedo

how do you think i won the norba nats.? dope isnt just for breakfast anymore!

You must of cheated.

PHAT TIRE · 11-06-2006, 09:54 AM

chevys and fords

SAR_boats · 11-06-2006, 09:57 AM

Oh christ, not again with the roadie vs. mtb stuff

gurp13 · 11-06-2006, 01:33 PM

I think Phat is kidding.

IIRC, he's already admitted to riding a road bike occasionally.

dirttorpeedo · 11-07-2006, 01:08 PM

so if i ride my mtb on the street,am i rode rider? is it a rode bike?what if i rode a rode bike in the dert,only wonce tho.is it an mtb?NO, they re still bikes.GET IT?

killa Cali Kid · 11-07-2006, 01:42 PM

Can't you guys leave this alone. Besides the Road v. MTB is so last week- I hear the real beef is those guys with water bottles instead of camelbacks or was it tubes instead of UST Either way I got my angst set on those with flat bars

11-07-2006, 02:29 PM

KCK, water bottles vs. camelbaks is so last hour!!!

the new controversy is now "gel packs vs. solid energy bars".

gurp13 · 11-07-2006, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killa Cali Kid

Can't you guys leave this alone. Besides the Road v. MTB is so last week- I hear the real beef is those guys with water bottles instead of camelbacks or was it tubes instead of UST Either way I got my angst set on those with flat bars

I have riser bars and bar ends. Wanna fight?

11-07-2006, 02:37 PM

presta vs. schraeder!

lock-on grips vs. slip-on grips!

CO2 pkg pump vs. regular mini pump!

trunk rack vs. roof rack!

killa Cali Kid · 11-07-2006, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by i am dino

KCK, water bottles vs. camelbaks is so last hour!!!

the new controversy is now "gel packs vs. solid energy bars".

tick tock Dino

word on the street (oh, no shades of roadie again

) mtn bikes vs. swiss cheese bikes made of wood

Pain Freak · 11-07-2006, 06:33 PM

Suspension or rigid?

SAR_boats · 11-07-2006, 06:44 PM

Sram vs Shimano

gurp13 · 11-07-2006, 06:58 PM

your mom vs. my mom

SAR_boats · 11-08-2006, 06:47 AM

Lycra or Baggies, Velcro or Laces, Boxers or Briefs or Thongs

Too many questions, who am i, who are you

PHAT TIRE · 11-08-2006, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirttorpeedo

so if i ride my mtb on the street,am i rode rider? is it a rode bike?what if i rode a rode bike in the dert,only wonce tho.is it an mtb?NO, they re still bikes.GET IT?

I ROAD my RODE bike this morning. I saw dirt on the pavement...eeeekkksss, what is that???...swerved to miss it.

11-02-2006, 07:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
Pain Freak Directionally Challenged	Since we don't have a rodie forum Half a Year of Mayhem That's one way to describe developments in pro cycling since May. And it keeps getting crazier. Spanish legal authorities have ruled that nothing turned up by the doping investigation called Operation Puerto may be used by anyone anywhere to sanction cyclists. At last count, 58 pros had been implicated in a Madrid-based doping network. Nine of the riders were prohibited from riding the Tour de France on suspicion that they were users of illegal performance-enhancing drugs or blood-boosting methods. Included were Tour favorites Jan Ullrich and Ivan Basso. They've been out of competition since. Now they can race again -- if they can find teams. ProTour squads remain opposed to signing riders who are under suspicion. Meanwhile, the International Cycling Union (UCI) says the Spanish judicial decision gives it no choice but to allow the riders back in the sport. That makes the UCI unhappy and critical of "the highly confusing general context of Operation Puerto." That could be called an understatement. The UCI has even granted a ProTour license to Manolo Saiz for the 2007 season. Saiz, once manager of the Liberty Seguros team, was the first big name implicated in the Operation Puerto investigation, supposedly having been nabbed with bags of frozen blood and a suitcase full of money. Now Saiz and the 58 riders are off the hook. For now, anyway. The UCI says it will still bring sanctions if and when Spanish officials declare that any riders or team personnel are guilty as once charged. ______________________________________ __________________ "The best rides are the ones where you bite off much more than you can chew—and live through it." — Doug Bradbury "When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me." — Emo Philips

11-02-2006, 07:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
gurp13 SolarFederationMember	Okay, Frank, go ahead and make your comment here. Then, Dean and Jose can chime in, too. That sucks for those guys. I don't get the whole guilty until proven innocent thing in cycling. __________________ I may be a loser, but I'm not a quitter.

11-03-2006, 06:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
Pain Freak Directionally Challenged	I guess it's more of a European thing. . __________________ "The best rides are the ones where you bite off much more than you can chew—and live through it." — Doug Bradbury "When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me." — Emo Philips

11-03-2006, 07:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
SAR_boats Hurtin'	What do you expect? This situation is brought to you by the same people you brought you The Spanish Inquisition and the Slaughter of the Aztecs. They have had practice. I think the only people who could be more effective at overlooking proper judicial proceedings would be the Germans. But we all know what happened the last time we let them run anything. Waffen SS death squads on bikes, anyone? __________________

11-05-2006, 06:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
dirttorpeedo drive monkey, drive!	how do you think i won the norba nats.? dope isnt just for breakfast anymore! __________________ professionally speaking of course!

11-06-2006, 09:54 AM	#7 (permalink)
PHAT TIRE Riders on the solar storm	chevys and fords

11-06-2006, 09:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
SAR_boats Hurtin'	Oh christ, not again with the roadie vs. mtb stuff __________________

11-06-2006, 01:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
gurp13 SolarFederationMember	I think Phat is kidding. IIRC, he's already admitted to riding a road bike occasionally. __________________ I may be a loser, but I'm not a quitter.

11-07-2006, 01:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
dirttorpeedo drive monkey, drive!	so if i ride my mtb on the street,am i rode rider? is it a rode bike?what if i rode a rode bike in the dert,only wonce tho.is it an mtb?NO, they re still bikes.GET IT? __________________ professionally speaking of course!

11-07-2006, 01:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
killa Cali Kid I meant to do that!	moving on Can't you guys leave this alone. Besides the Road v. MTB is so last week- I hear the real beef is those guys with water bottles instead of camelbacks or was it tubes instead of UST Either way I got my angst set on those with flat bars __________________ [FONT=Comic Sans MS][/FONT]

11-07-2006, 02:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
i am dino Guest	KCK, water bottles vs. camelbaks is so last hour!!! the new controversy is now "gel packs vs. solid energy bars".

11-07-2006, 02:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
i am dino Guest	presta vs. schraeder! lock-on grips vs. slip-on grips! CO2 pkg pump vs. regular mini pump! trunk rack vs. roof rack! Last edited by i am dino; 11-07-2006 at 02:39 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

11-07-2006, 06:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
Pain Freak Directionally Challenged	Suspension or rigid? __________________ "The best rides are the ones where you bite off much more than you can chew—and live through it." — Doug Bradbury "When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me." — Emo Philips

11-07-2006, 06:44 PM	#17 (permalink)
SAR_boats Hurtin'	Sram vs Shimano __________________

11-07-2006, 06:58 PM	#18 (permalink)
gurp13 SolarFederationMember	your mom vs. my mom __________________ I may be a loser, but I'm not a quitter.

11-08-2006, 06:47 AM	#19 (permalink)
SAR_boats Hurtin'	Lycra or Baggies, Velcro or Laces, Boxers or Briefs or Thongs Too many questions, who am i, who are you __________________

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