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genusmtbkr5 · 08-20-2007, 02:45 AM

After today(Sun), we had 2 more from our STR family members go down to injuries. Has the curse of Steven Jackson gone beyond the Fully Loop? Jason(ChumbaJason) and Cathy(CC) are the latest to go on the DL. Heal quick Jason & CC.

Jason apparently went down going big at Del Cerro and lost his footing. Ended up with a concussion, right big toe as big as a mellon and he can't move his right arm. He may have cartilage damage.

CC went down at BB and has a concussion, a bump on her forehead, a swollen arm, stiff neck and multiple cuts and scrapes on her neck.

We already know about Jared(~ Pakiha ~), Barry(mcgyver0302) and Keith's injuries. Brett(guero) had a really close call a couple weeks ago at the Fully Loop along with another rider. Thank god it wasn't another trip to the ER. From what I heard about the crash, it could have been bad. Chris(SAR boats) went down again at Santiago Oaks due to loose conditions.

I guess the reason why I'm doing this thread is because of my concern for my fellow riders. Some of the injuries are from going "BIG", others by going too fast. Some crashes because of trail conditions(dry and loose).

We are a couple months away from the Fall season and hopefully some much needed rain. The trail conditions then would greatly improve and I don't want to see any more of my friends and fellow riders miss out on those riding conditions because there arm is in a sling or a much worse injury.

I myself, am committed to staying focus on the Vision Quest. Last Sept, I was careless and I suffered a sprained wrist. It kept me from getting in the training rides needed to prepare for the VQ so I dropped out. Thanks to Chris Vargas, I was still able to participate in the Counting Coup, but for me, it's not the same. God willing, it won't happen this time.

I know the fall, winter and spring brings another season of racing and epic rides due to the improved conditions, I hope to join all of you on those rides and see or read you all doing well in your events.

The trails are dry and loose now, but not for long, so by all means ride, but ride with care. Once it cools down and we get some rain, I'll be looking forward to doing some training rides and also doing some epic rides like Joplin, Bell Ridge, Los Pinos with some of you and that's just locally! I hope injury doesn't keep any of us from those rides. I hope to see you all on the trails, especially when the conditions get better. Gene

2xPneu · 08-20-2007, 04:54 AM

[SIZE=2]I realize this will fall on deaf ears, but one of the beauties of riding rigid (and even fixed) offroad is that your equipment doesn't lend itself to high speeds and the injuries inherent therein. Every obstacle is approached knowing the limitations of your equipment. Doesn't mean you can't go fast, but it does mean you're not assuming your full sus bike will get you through everything so full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes. I pretty much keep up with (and usually ahead of, on the climbs) the groups I ride with, but let them bomb through the bad sections while I go a bit slower.
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steviebfromtheoc · 08-20-2007, 05:58 AM

I just talked to Jason , hope your feeling better bro , sorry to hear that you waded up

Wrecker · 08-20-2007, 06:43 AM

Outside of STR, we have had a few injuries come in to the OR (and I'm in HB/Fountain Valley, not many trails around here). Most were from loose conditions and too much speed, a couple from jumps.

Luckily, I ride as though on a rigid (hahah) even withough I've never had one

Sprockethead · 08-20-2007, 06:55 AM

Make sure you have health insurance. If you don't have any, atleast get some sort of high deductible emergency insurance. One trip to the Hospital would pay off.

Pho'dUp · 08-20-2007, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sprockethead

Make sure you have health insurance. If you don't have any, atleast get some sort of high deductible emergency insurance. One trip to the Hospital would pay off.

No doubt here Andy. I was shocked to learn my trip to the ER because of my little leg puncture would have been a $1500 if it wasn't for health insurance. If you need xrays, MRI's etc that's going to make your bill sky rocket.

Pain Freak · 08-20-2007, 07:20 AM

Sorry to hear about this CC and Jason. I hope you two are feeling better soon.

I look at some of the postings and I cringe when I see my fellow riders and friends "going big". I think all of us would like to be able to do these things but we must keep in mind the penalties for not making it. It's not a matter of bravery, but what you feel you can get away with. I have many scars from stuff I did when I was younger and dare I say more, foolish? Please people consider the consequences of your actions. Like my wife keeps telling me....No one is going to pay our mortgage if you get hurt and can't make it to work. We have a lot of people who depend on us so let's not be selfish and do it for a not so "cheap thrill". I can tell you it won't be cheap. There's a lot of fun riding without over doing it. Thanks Gene, it helps to remind us.

PacMan · 08-20-2007, 07:53 AM

I've said it before, and we were actually chatting about it last night at LPQ. I always use a lot of caution--sometimes maybe too much. I just don't have the "willingness to get hurt" for lack of a better phrase. As Mike said, I have a mortgage to pay, but more importantly, I want to ride tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day. I always say a small prayer at the trailhead for a safe ride.

Like at Noble. when I have shuttled it on a 42 pound, 7" travel freeride bike, I still walk Widowmaker and Stairway to Hell. Ya, I know they aren't that hard and people ride them on HT's, but all it takes is once. Art/SoCalLife who used to post on here went down on Widowmaker and last I heard was off the bike for months because of it.

So let's be careful out there

Burner · 08-20-2007, 07:54 AM

CC and Jason, sorry to hear about your injuries. Heal up quick.

Mike, that's exactly why I'm such a p*ssy!

OMR · 08-20-2007, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by genusmtbkr5

The trails are dry and loose now, but not for long, so by all means ride, but ride with care. Gene

Well put Gene! Just like when the streets are double slick after a first rain, the trails have become very, very loose and slippery. You could see this on Sat's ride at Santiago Oaks. There was some really good examples of bike handling skills... but even they were sometimes on the edge... several close calls that could have been ugly.

Please be careful... I want to see alot of you at VQ/CC this coming year.

OMR

~ Pakiha ~ · 08-20-2007, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by genusmtbkr5

We already know about mcgyver0302 and Keith's injuries. Brett(guero) had a really close call a couple weeks ago at the Fully Loop along with another rider. Chris(SAR boats) went down again at Santiago Oaks due to loose conditions.

BUMMER - Healing Vibes to all, I know they helped me, I didn't even make Gene's list HAHAHAHA

I'll be hitting the rails to trails this week and getting the lungs and cardio back up to speed. 5 weeks in retrospect has gone by fast, and hopefully I'll not need longer

.

Heal quick everyone!

Kid A · 08-20-2007, 08:39 AM

healing vibes to all fallen comrades. Being off the bike sux. wish all you the best for speedy recoveries

genusmtbkr5 · 08-20-2007, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~ Pakiha ~

BUMMER - Healing Vibes to all, I know they helped me, I didn't even make Gene's list HAHAHAHA

Heal quick everyone!

Sorry Jared, I just editted it to add you to the DL. Good to hear you'll be back soon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by genusmtbkr5

We already know about Jared(~ Pakiha ~), Barry(mcgyver0302) and Keith's injuries. Brett(guero) had a really close call a couple weeks ago at the Fully Loop along with another rider. Thank god it wasn't another trip to the ER. From what I heard about the crash, it could have been bad. Chris(SAR boats) went down again at Santiago Oaks due to loose conditions.
Gene

Fired Yo Momma · 08-20-2007, 08:48 AM

Thats sucks for CC and Jason. I hope you guys get better ASAP. I ride quite a bit by myself and sometimes it is safer for me because 1. I feel no need to keep up with the more experienced riders on taking technical sections. 2. When I do ride with a group I will push myself because I am with a group and if I get hurt I am with other people who can help me out.

As far as the subject of not having the right bike for the right trail. I look at like this not everybody can afford a downhill rig to be ridden 3 to 6 times a year.

surlygal · 08-20-2007, 08:48 AM

Jason & CC - Rest, Take it easy & Heal Up Quick!

08-20-2007, 02:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
genusmtbkr5 Single Track Mind	2 more go down After today(Sun), we had 2 more from our STR family members go down to injuries. Has the curse of Steven Jackson gone beyond the Fully Loop? Jason(ChumbaJason) and Cathy(CC) are the latest to go on the DL. Heal quick Jason & CC. Jason apparently went down going big at Del Cerro and lost his footing. Ended up with a concussion, right big toe as big as a mellon and he can't move his right arm. He may have cartilage damage. CC went down at BB and has a concussion, a bump on her forehead, a swollen arm, stiff neck and multiple cuts and scrapes on her neck. We already know about Jared(~ Pakiha ~), Barry(mcgyver0302) and Keith's injuries. Brett(guero) had a really close call a couple weeks ago at the Fully Loop along with another rider. Thank god it wasn't another trip to the ER. From what I heard about the crash, it could have been bad. Chris(SAR boats) went down again at Santiago Oaks due to loose conditions. I guess the reason why I'm doing this thread is because of my concern for my fellow riders. Some of the injuries are from going "BIG", others by going too fast. Some crashes because of trail conditions(dry and loose). We are a couple months away from the Fall season and hopefully some much needed rain. The trail conditions then would greatly improve and I don't want to see any more of my friends and fellow riders miss out on those riding conditions because there arm is in a sling or a much worse injury. I myself, am committed to staying focus on the Vision Quest. Last Sept, I was careless and I suffered a sprained wrist. It kept me from getting in the training rides needed to prepare for the VQ so I dropped out. Thanks to Chris Vargas, I was still able to participate in the Counting Coup, but for me, it's not the same. God willing, it won't happen this time. I know the fall, winter and spring brings another season of racing and epic rides due to the improved conditions, I hope to join all of you on those rides and see or read you all doing well in your events. The trails are dry and loose now, but not for long, so by all means ride, but ride with care. Once it cools down and we get some rain, I'll be looking forward to doing some training rides and also doing some epic rides like Joplin, Bell Ridge, Los Pinos with some of you and that's just locally! I hope injury doesn't keep any of us from those rides. I hope to see you all on the trails, especially when the conditions get better. Gene __________________ Gene"GuidesNewWarriors" *http://www.warriorssociety.org/* *http://www.sharemtb.com/* Last edited by genusmtbkr5; 08-20-2007 at 08:54 AM. Reason: Added text and names to the DL

08-20-2007, 06:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
Wrecker THE Penultimate Mtb'er	Outside of STR, we have had a few injuries come in to the OR (and I'm in HB/Fountain Valley, not many trails around here). Most were from loose conditions and too much speed, a couple from jumps. Luckily, I ride as though on a rigid (hahah) even withough I've never had one __________________ "There are too many factors you have to take into account that you have no control over...The most important factor you can keep in your own hands is yourself. I always placed the greatest emphasis on that." Eddy Merckx

08-20-2007, 07:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
Pain Freak Peanut butta jelly	Sorry to hear about this CC and Jason. I hope you two are feeling better soon. I look at some of the postings and I cringe when I see my fellow riders and friends "going big". I think all of us would like to be able to do these things but we must keep in mind the penalties for not making it. It's not a matter of bravery, but what you feel you can get away with. I have many scars from stuff I did when I was younger and dare I say more, foolish? Please people consider the consequences of your actions. Like my wife keeps telling me....No one is going to pay our mortgage if you get hurt and can't make it to work. We have a lot of people who depend on us so let's not be selfish and do it for a not so "cheap thrill". I can tell you it won't be cheap. There's a lot of fun riding without over doing it. Thanks Gene, it helps to remind us. __________________ If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests? “Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body—but rather a skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, ‘Wow, what a ride!’ ” —anon.

08-20-2007, 07:53 AM	#8 (permalink)
PacMan Yeti. Turner. Niner.	I've said it before, and we were actually chatting about it last night at LPQ. I always use a lot of caution--sometimes maybe too much. I just don't have the "willingness to get hurt" for lack of a better phrase. As Mike said, I have a mortgage to pay, but more importantly, I want to ride tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day. I always say a small prayer at the trailhead for a safe ride. Like at Noble. when I have shuttled it on a 42 pound, 7" travel freeride bike, I still walk Widowmaker and Stairway to Hell. Ya, I know they aren't that hard and people ride them on HT's, but all it takes is once. Art/SoCalLife who used to post on here went down on Widowmaker and last I heard was off the bike for months because of it. So let's be careful out there __________________ Less typing...more riding.

08-20-2007, 07:54 AM	#9 (permalink)
Burner watch out for that pole!	CC and Jason, sorry to hear about your injuries. Heal up quick. Mike, that's exactly why I'm such a p*ssy! __________________ The Path... it's worth the drive from LA.

08-20-2007, 04:54 AM	#2 (permalink)
2xPneu Junior Member	[SIZE=2]I realize this will fall on deaf ears, but one of the beauties of riding rigid (and even fixed) offroad is that your equipment doesn't lend itself to high speeds and the injuries inherent therein. Every obstacle is approached knowing the limitations of your equipment. Doesn't mean you can't go fast, but it does mean you're not assuming your full sus bike will get you through everything so full speed ahead, damn the torpedoes. I pretty much keep up with (and usually ahead of, on the climbs) the groups I ride with, but let them bomb through the bad sections while I go a bit slower. [/SIZE]

08-20-2007, 05:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
steviebfromtheoc steviebfromtheoc	I just talked to Jason , hope your feeling better bro , sorry to hear that you waded up

08-20-2007, 06:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
Sprockethead Just another slacker.	Make sure you have health insurance. If you don't have any, atleast get some sort of high deductible emergency insurance. One trip to the Hospital would pay off.

08-20-2007, 08:39 AM	#12 (permalink)
Kid A It's US v. THEM	healing vibes to all fallen comrades. Being off the bike sux. wish all you the best for speedy recoveries __________________ RIP: Taco Tuesday Funky Bunch Calling all Freaks -> http://www.socaltrailriders.org/foru...funkathon.html

08-20-2007, 08:48 AM	#14 (permalink)
Fired Yo Momma Client 9	Thats sucks for CC and Jason. I hope you guys get better ASAP. I ride quite a bit by myself and sometimes it is safer for me because 1. I feel no need to keep up with the more experienced riders on taking technical sections. 2. When I do ride with a group I will push myself because I am with a group and if I get hurt I am with other people who can help me out. As far as the subject of not having the right bike for the right trail. I look at like this not everybody can afford a downhill rig to be ridden 3 to 6 times a year. __________________ And the hangovers hurt more than they used to And corn bread and ice tea took the place of pills and 80 proof And it seems like none of us do the things quite like we used to do And nobody wants to get high on the town And all my rowdy friends have settled down -Hank Williams Jr.

08-20-2007, 08:48 AM	#15 (permalink)
surlygal goin all the way!!!	Jason & CC - Rest, Take it easy & Heal Up Quick!

08-20-2007, 09:01 AM	#16 (permalink)
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