Fast mtb training rides?

[donkey]

I usually do Blackstar on tuesday nights at what I would call my "endurance race" pace(~50 minutes from the bottom gate to the top).

I'm always looking for company.....come on out. I usually start pedalling at 4:30.

B

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by Pat

Well as far as I’ve been able to tell, most of the adult children egomaniacs tend to stay on their road bikes.

Now then, the problem is this: Riding hard alone just sucks after a while. As impressive as a display of fortitude may be, its just not always fun.

What I’m looking for is this:
I want to ride my bike as hard as I can with other people who want the same. I want to get my ass kicked by some fast riders so I can see what they do, and maybe even kick some ass myself. I want to have a drink afterwards and talk about how excruciatingly painful that was and then say, "see you all next week!"

If something like this doesn't exist in orange county then I think it should. I wouldnt have a problem starting it either. I just wonder if there is enough interest.

Any thoughts?

Thursday if you can hang

[chongoblanco]

shoot for doing the full tour of aliso in and hour and a half. I know people who have done it! two loops after work at santiago oaks is a good one. think positive mann!

[ubermensch]

Originally Posted by Pat

What I’m looking for is this:
I want to ride my bike as hard as I can with other people who want the same. I want to get my ass kicked by some fast riders so I can see what they do, and maybe even kick some ass myself. I want to have a drink afterwards and talk about how excruciatingly painful that was and then say, "see you all next week!"

If something like this doesn't exist in orange county then I think it should. I wouldnt have a problem starting it either. I just wonder if there is enough interest.

Any thoughts?

Maybe if you start a weekly ride and instead of calling it a 'ride,' kick it up a notch and call it a 'training ride' or even a training race, then more people would show up. Since this board is so active, and judging by the amount of race reports, I'd be surprised if that doesn't take off.

For me, I sometimes will miss group rides for whatever lame reasons, but I never blow off a 'training ride' because I know that's the best way to get fit and prepare for racing. For roadies, the training rides are everywhere and everyone takes advantage of them. I rode with a group at Bonelli Park earlier this evening and, even though daylight savings time started way early this year, there was still a healthy pack of about 70 or 80 riders. In the summer time, that number can easily double. I'm surprised that there aren't established rides like that for dirt riding.

[jfromlv]

Originally Posted by Pat

Well as far as I’ve been able to tell, most of the adult children egomaniacs tend to stay on their road bikes.

Now then, the problem is this: Riding hard alone just sucks after a while. As impressive as a display of fortitude may be, its just not always fun.

What I’m looking for is this:
I want to ride my bike as hard as I can with other people who want the same. I want to get my ass kicked by some fast riders so I can see what they do, and maybe even kick some ass myself. I want to have a drink afterwards and talk about how excruciatingly painful that was and then say, "see you all next week!"

If something like this doesn't exist in orange county then I think it should. I wouldnt have a problem starting it either. I just wonder if there is enough interest.

Any thoughts?

It's not the OC, but you pretty much explained the Monday night Incycle rides out of San Dimas. Riders usually range from Sport level to Pro's, trying to get a second beginner friendly ride going too, and we always eat and shoot the breeze afterward. If you ever feel like making the drive, come check it out!

[thephat]

No amount of fortitude, or personal desire will improve your riding like chasing fast riders, and pushing each other.

That being said, if you can have fun riding, you will imrove as a rider better than if you are not having fun.

Lots of folks go fast because of ego. For most really fast folks, I think it's more about the personal challenge. Most of the fastest riders I know are very humble. I think part of it is that the better you get, the more you know how good the best are.

I think the fast group at the Tues eve El Moro ride may be what you are looking for. It's been a while for me, but they used to atract some fast riders, and pretty much race for a couple of hours.

[Abui]

Originally Posted by ubermensch

I'm surprised that there aren't established rides like that for dirt riding.

On the road riders in a pack are still the "little guys" in terms of speed and size. They present no physical threat to Joe Public in his car.

On the trail a fast pack intimidates the other users (raises dust, spooks horses, etc.). I can't see established fast rides on anything other than little-used fireroads.

(edit: training rides also need a constant pace - harder to do on dirt)

[lukewiens]

Originally Posted by thephat

Lots of folks go fast because of ego. For most really fast folks, I think it's more about the personal challenge. Most of the fastest riders I know are very humble. I think part of it is that the better you get, the more you know how good the best are.

+1 very well put!

[Bryguy17]

i might be down to do some race-pace rides. I'm not particularly fast by any means (I'm better at going DOWN), but I definitely want to be competitive in C's or B's collegiate next year.

So far i was just planning on doing laps around the fully loop quickly on my own. My record is 46 minutes from courthouse to courthouse, and I'd like to shatter that


If you set up a few rides a week i would be down to go on them though. I do agree that there is nothing like friendly competition to get you in the racing mood. I did all of last season on a crumby 35lb hardtail, and really, reallllly loved trying to chase down guys on $5000 bikes wearing spandex (and succeeding too )

something else to consider as well, i believe that a well rounded rider has a higher chance of being successful at racing. You can;t just be a monster in the saddle, or a beast of a downhiller. You have to work on both equally. There are people I know who can go up hills like no other, but they just choke on the slightest downhill turn. There's also others that can rip up the downhills, but can't pedal up things nearly as well as some.

For example, at one race last year, one of our guys was the first to the top of the hill by several seconds, but he could not handle the downhill. There were a few other guys (one on a DHR, one on a stinky), who ended up walking the climb, and blowing people away on the downhill. they eventually got 5th and 6th place.

but anyway, lemme know. I'd probably be down for at least a few faster rides a week on top of what i'll be doing on my own

[Rivet]

Originally Posted by Keith B

Why not jsut do your own ride and push yourself rather than force yourself to hang out with a pack of adult children ego maniacs?!

Spoken like a guy who's afraid to sack up and pin a number on. Don't project your inadequacies on other people.

[andy aka rut]

Originally Posted by Rivet

Spoken like a guy who's afraid to sack up and pin a number on. Don't project your inadequacies on other people.

Wow Rivet only a 176 thanks, huh? No wonder.

[KonaDupee]

Originally Posted by Bryguy17

There are people I know who can go up hills like no other, but they just choke on the slightest downhill turn.

So you've seen me ride, eh?

[Rivet]

Originally Posted by andy aka rut

Wow Rivet only a 176 thanks, huh? No wonder.

You're bothered by what I said but have no problem with the hate filled statement from Keith B? Interesting.

[jake]

Rivet, Dude... If you knew how funny it is to associate Keith B with "hate filled" you'd stop right now.
Besides, I've seen him "pin on" a number and kick ass.

Some people need a group pace to motivate them, some don't. Looks like Keith doesn't need it. I personally enjoy riding with a group when I need to push and riding alone when I just wanna chill and enjoy the experience.

[Rivet]

Originally Posted by jake

Rivet, Dude... If you knew how funny it is to associate Keith B with "hate filled" you'd stop right now.
Besides, I've seen him "pin on" a number and kick ass.

So how would you describe what he wrote?

[sdyeti]

Back on topic:


That's smokin' B!! If I could chase you every once in a while, I'd definitely get faster

Originally Posted by donkey

I usually do Blackstar on tuesday nights at what I would call my "endurance race" pace(~50 minutes from the bottom gate to the top).

[Keith B]

Originally Posted by Rivet

Spoken like a guy who's afraid to sack up and pin a number on. Don't project your inadequacies on other people.

Erm...I did Counting Coup this year and came 10th. Bite me.

Originally Posted by jake

Rivet, Dude... If you knew how funny it is to associate Keith B with "hate filled" you'd stop right now.
I personally enjoy riding with a group when I need to push and riding alone when I just wanna chill and enjoy the experience.

Thanks Jake, I would have replied sooner but my anger mangement therapist wouldnt let me leave my cell Dont get me wrong its fun to push with a group sometimes, I'm merely pointing out that ultimately you're racing yourself and there are more than enough out there who race jsut to say they beat someone.

[donkey]

You wanna see smokin? The fellas at the front of the VQ this year were at Beaks in just a hair over 40 minutes! I was soo amazed to see that........I went back a few days after the event to see just how hard it would be to get up there that fast. I absolutely killed myself and it took 44 minutes. I simply can't imagine getting up there in 40 and then doing the rest of the VQ.

Those guys are smokin. I'm just a dude with a full time job that rides to work alot:-)

B

Originally Posted by sdyeti

Back on topic:


That's smokin' B!! If I could chase you every once in a while, I'd definitely get faster