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LoisMustDie

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Originally Posted by reflux

Q: Will post-ride beverages need to be well-hidden, or are open beverages considered acceptable?

Ride details are secondary to the above questions.

"O'doul's" --which is what I will be calling my Stone Smoked Porter --- are perfectly fine to drink in a nice large cup that holds about 36oz

allison

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoisMustDie

"O'doul's" --which is what I will be calling my Stone Smoked Porter --- are perfectly fine to drink in a nice large cup that holds about 36oz

You know.. if you bring one for yourself, you have to bring one for everybody!

reflux

Thank you. In hindsight, this was a poor avenue to ask my question. Perhaps someone with Mod power would be kind enough to delete my post...

LoisMustDie

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Originally Posted by allison

You know.. if you bring one for yourself, you have to bring one for everybody!

I should just get it over with and buy a whole keg of "O'Doul's."

I'll be sure to save ya one, Allison.

Edog

So if you spot a rider with limited stainage & Deja Vu, bitching up a storm holding a Tiki Latern 6 weeks from now, that will be me

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Originally Posted by deja vu

Underpants are highly recommended, you can avoid an unsightly stain that way.

The shuttle leaves at 5:30, you can grab my wheel.

No refund, but feel free to bitch and moan the entire way.

Candle flames are too small to cause a problem, I have found giant burning torches work even better though.

Yes, let's push the whole thing back at least 4 weeks, I'll join you.

Cowgirl

After much discussion with the event organizers we have decided that:

You will be recommended to have some kind of light that would make your start in the dark safer.

We are not going to be able to separate the people with lights and the people without lights at the beginning.

We can not find a logistical way to make sure that the riders with and without lights stay separate.

If you are afraid of the bumping and shoving at the start we are recommending you hang in the back for the first 3/4 mile.

This will all be in your race packet when you pick it up.

From my personal experience....I used a small commuter light to assist my vision...I started the year it left at 5:am...I stayed in the back and actually rode slow thru the mud bogs in Blackstar so I didn't have to worry about anyone falling in front of me or crashing into me and then by the time the actual climb started I just picked up my pace at that point and everyone was spread out enough that it was safe.

reflux

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Originally Posted by Cowgirl

...we are recommending you hang in the back for the first 3/4 mile.

Dun!

aosty

In the name of safety, why not start 15-30 minutes later and adjust the cut-off times appropriately (or significantly more

) ?!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowgirl

After much discussion with the event organizers we have decided that:

You will be recommended to have some kind of light that would make your start in the dark safer.

We are not going to be able to separate the people with lights and the people without lights at the beginning.

We can not find a logistical way to make sure that the riders with and without lights stay separate.

If you are afraid of the bumping and shoving at the start we are recommending you hang in the back for the first 3/4 mile.

This will all be in your race packet when you pick it up.

From my personal experience....I used a small commuter light to assist my vision...I started the year it left at 5:am...I stayed in the back and actually rode slow thru the mud bogs in Blackstar so I didn't have to worry about anyone falling in front of me or crashing into me and then by the time the actual climb started I just picked up my pace at that point and everyone was spread out enough that it was safe.

reflux

Quote:

Originally Posted by aosty

In the name of safety, why not start 15-30 minutes later and adjust the cut-off times appropriately (or significantly more

) ?!

1) As posted in a General Discussion thread, the timing system has already been setup. To do so now would result in a huge PITA for the person(s) who are in charge of it.
2) How do they (Sherri, etc) decide who starts in which wave? Send out a mass email?
3) The CC and VQ are races. The first person to cross the line is the winner. If there are two waves, this may very well NOT be the case. I'd hate to be the race organizer who has to tell the first finisher that a person in a later wave had a faster time.
4) If the race were larger (1k +), I could see the justification for waves and seeding based on time. Please see any big city marathon (LA - 10k+?) and large bike tours (MS Tour - 2k+).

aosty

I meant everyone... not multiple groups/waves.

Wrecker

I wasn't fond of passing people on Blackstar, but I'm real fond of staying on my bike--who's with me in the rear?

Cowgirl

Quote:

Originally Posted by aosty

In the name of safety, why not start 15-30 minutes later and adjust the cut-off times appropriately (or significantly more

) ?!

It's not possible for our timing at this point...the numbers assigned signify whether your a CC or a VQ so we already timing two events...but to break it down any further it would overwhelm our timing and completely confuse the finishing...but remember this actually isn't a race...there is no 1st place award...granted you do see your name with a big #1 next to it on the web but it's really just about finishing! Then you can try and beat your time the next time.

aosty

I think my post has been misunderstood. I meant move the one and only start time for *everyone* 15-30 minutes later and adjust the human executed cut-off times appropriately.

Delaying start (for everyone) by 15m = 15m later cut-off = minimal, if any, danger.

The 5.30 start time = significantly increased danger for 300 riders.

Cowgirl

Quote:

Originally Posted by aosty

I think my post has been misunderstood. I meant move the one and only start time for *everyone* 15-30 minutes later and adjust the human executed cut-off times appropriately.

Delaying start (for everyone) by 15m = 15m later cut-off = minimal, if any, danger.

The 5.30 start time = significantly increased danger for 300 riders.

Maybe next year we can do that but at this point to notify all the people (coming from out of state and out of town) that might be too much for this year...but we will keep it in mind for next year...thanks.

DISCO

Quote:

Originally Posted by aosty

I think my post has been misunderstood. I meant move the one and only start time for *everyone* 15-30 minutes later and adjust the human executed cut-off times appropriately.

Delaying start (for everyone) by 15m = 15m later cut-off = minimal, if any, danger.

The 5.30 start time = significantly increased danger for 300 riders.

The most dangerous part of the event is when riders are fatigued later in the day. By comparison in the morning most are bright eyed and bushy tailed first thing. It makes sense to me to start early and finish early so that everyone is off the mountain by sundown. The support staff does not begin breaking down until the last rider has passed and I have come back at sunset and too late for food or swag before. Things will go smoothly but if they do not rescue personnel will have a much easier time in daylight than in the dark.

bighit8

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrewMaster

Where can those of us who are not participating show up to cheer and/or party with the participants?

Where is the finish line, food, and post ride fun going to be? I wouldn't mind shuttling people back to their cars with or without their bikes. I can carry 2 bikes on my hitch rack, and up to 4 other people if you want to squeeze (me + 3 more if you wanna be comfortable).

Maps would be helpful for the above questions since I am very visual person.

Finnish line is the dirt road ( trabujco) I went last year to cheer.

allison

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Originally Posted by reflux

3) The CC and VQ are races. The first person to cross the line is the winner.

Sorry, this is NOT a race. It is an event. There are no "races" allowed on national forest land!

mtnbikej

Quote:

Originally Posted by reflux

1) As posted in a General Discussion thread, the timing system has already been setup. To do so now would result in a huge PITA for the person(s) who are in charge of it.
2) How do they (Sherri, etc) decide who starts in which wave? Send out a mass email?
3) The CC and VQ are races. The first person to cross the line is the winner. If there are two waves, this may very well NOT be the case. I'd hate to be the race organizer who has to tell the first finisher that a person in a later wave had a faster time.
4) If the race were larger (1k +), I could see the justification for waves and seeding based on time. Please see any big city marathon (LA - 10k+?) and large bike tours (MS Tour - 2k+).

Actually they are not races. They are timed events, but are not technically races. There is no prize for finishing 1st or last....just bragging rights.

reflux

Thank you for the clarification!

Cowgirl

Your right the VQ and CC are not races...but you are allowed to do races on National Forest Land...that is why The Traverse is a race. Just have to do the permitting. But there are no races allowed in Regional Parks...10mph speed limit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by allison

Sorry, this is NOT a race. It is an event. There are no "races" allowed on national forest land!


reflux Senior Member	Thank you. In hindsight, this was a poor avenue to ask my question. Perhaps someone with Mod power would be kind enough to delete my post...


Cowgirl Warrior's Society Member	After much discussion with the event organizers we have decided that: You will be recommended to have some kind of light that would make your start in the dark safer. We are not going to be able to separate the people with lights and the people without lights at the beginning. We can not find a logistical way to make sure that the riders with and without lights stay separate. If you are afraid of the bumping and shoving at the start we are recommending you hang in the back for the first 3/4 mile. This will all be in your race packet when you pick it up. From my personal experience....I used a small commuter light to assist my vision...I started the year it left at 5:am...I stayed in the back and actually rode slow thru the mud bogs in Blackstar so I didn't have to worry about anyone falling in front of me or crashing into me and then by the time the actual climb started I just picked up my pace at that point and everyone was spread out enough that it was safe.


Wrecker THE Penultimate Mtb'er	I wasn't fond of passing people on Blackstar, but I'm real fond of staying on my bike--who's with me in the rear? __________________ "There are too many factors you have to take into account that you have no control over...The most important factor you can keep in your own hands is yourself. I always placed the greatest emphasis on that." Eddy Merckx


aosty Member	I think my post has been misunderstood. I meant move the one and only start time for everyone 15-30 minutes later and adjust the human executed cut-off times appropriately. Delaying start (for everyone) by 15m = 15m later cut-off = minimal, if any, danger. The 5.30 start time = significantly increased danger for 300 riders.

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