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[simonmtb]

Originally Posted by duke777

The gun laws can be argued and played both ways. You don't see dumb ass gang members do a shoot out at texas where everyone got a gun.

They actually will shoot back!

Or in the rest of the western world where not many people have guns.
Lets face it. If you have not got a gun, you are not shooting anyone.

Just for the record

"Just like so many cities in Texas, Wichita Falls has a gang problem. One of the most well known gangs is the Varrio Carnales (VC), Spanish for “neighborhood brothers.” This group is primarily made up of young Hispanic men between 18 and 25. The senseless crimes they commit include theft, criminal mischief, aggravated assault, and drive-by-shootings. Much of the shooting violence is aimed at the VC’s rival gang, the Puro Li’l Mafia (PLM). The Wichita Falls Police Department reports that these two groups have been shooting at each other for nearly 20 violent years. "
http://www.tdcaa.com/node/1140

[duke777]

Originally Posted by simonmtb

Or in the rest of the western world where not many people have guns.
Lets face it. If you have not got a gun, you are not shooting anyone.

Yup like I said it can go both ways and the debate can definitely be endless.

No matter what it all depends on the people, guns don't kill....people do!

If everyone around are civilized and not acting like they are in stone age then yeah we would never need guns, tanks and missiles. Tell me one developed nation that does not have the most advance weapons.

If you look at Europe(I assume that's what you are talking about) why the police always have high caliper weapons? Spain got bomb, not just guns.....wait so does UK. France got a different mess in paris, italy got mafia......the list goes on and on.

Really the gun is NOT the problem. It's the people that are the problem!

To argue against the guns.....sad but probably true, most victim may not even had a chance to shoot back even if they had a gun.

Being aware is self defense rule number 1!

[mfoga]

Wow one was 4 blocks from me, but it probably happened when i was gone so I had no idea.

[simonmtb]

Originally Posted by duke777

Yup like I said it can go both ways and the debate can definitely be endless.

No matter what it all depends on the people, guns don't kill....people do!

If everyone around are civilized and not acting like they are in stone age then yeah we would never need guns, tanks and missiles. Tell me one developed nation that does not have the most advance weapons.

If you look at Europe(I assume that's what you are talking about) why the police always have high caliper weapons? Spain got bomb, not just guns.....wait so does UK. France got a different mess in paris, italy got mafia......the list goes on and on.

Really the gun is NOT the problem. It's the people that are the problem!

To argue against the guns.....sad but probably true, most victim may not even had a chance to shoot back even if they had a gun.

Being aware is self defense rule number 1!

I agree that some of the above statements are true but the big difference is that guns are not genarally available to members of the public in Western Europe. The argument that guns don´t kill people , people do () is just not the case. The case is that people with guns kill people.
Let´s face it, tragically, homicides and suicides involing firerams per capita in this country outweigh any western European country not just by a bit but by orders of magnitude: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita

If you have a different reason for people slautering each other using firearms other than that they have firearms, then let me know.

[mfoga]

Guns dont kill people, bullets do. So ban the bullets.

[Chewyeti]

[duke777]

Originally Posted by simonmtb

I agree that some of the above statements are true but the big difference is that guns are not genarally available to members of the public. The argument that guns don´t kill people , people do () is just not the case. The case is that people with guns kill people.
Let´s face it, tragically, homicides and suicides involing firerams per capita in this country outweigh any western European country not just by a bit but by orders of magnitude: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita

If you have a different reason for people slautering each other using firearms other than that they have firearms, then let me know.

Really now....let's see US is just a bit bigger than any EU country last time I checked. Per capita or not a smaller population will have less issues.

People WILL kill each other with guns or not. After some instruction anyone can kill swiftly with out a gun(that's how they did it back in the days....OG yo!). A GUN never killed anyone by itself sitting there....oh yeah God did not make guns, people did. To your logic we should complete out law guns.....including the country itself. If no one else in the country have guns then why do the police need guns?

If you out law guns people will get it one way or another....look at mexico. No guns period is the law and yet they have lots of problem. On that note most of EU is no gun zone then how come they have shiat load of problem with mafia and other problems?

If you look back EU history they have killed enough for long enough....not just their own people BTW. Good thing they are taking a break.

This is a free country, we are free to own guns(to a degree) and not to own guns........or free to leave if we don't like either.


BTW most guns used to commit crime are NOT legally acquired. So the gun law really have no affect on them.

[92se-r]

california and washington dc have the highest gun violence in the nation, but guess where the strictest gun laws are.

you know, murder is illegal but for some reason these gang bangers dont follow that law. what makes you think stricter gun laws
will stop them?
blaming gun violence on guns is like blaming spoons for rosie odonnell being fat.

Originally Posted by simonmtb

Bit surprised no one mentions relaxed gun laws, cheap guns and ammo etc.

[simonmtb]

The right to bear arms.

[92se-r]

the right to bear arms is the single thing that makes this country a true democracy. without it, all your other rights are not protected and are words on paper.

switzerland i believe has a higher rate of firearm ownership than us. they do not have nearly the gun violence we have.

ultimately, i think the solution is really to stop crying about how we are not understanding of how this scumbag was raised, and growing a pair, and getting rid of people in our society that are completely worthless.

Originally Posted by simonmtb

I agree that some of the above statements are true but the big difference is that guns are not genarally available to members of the public in Western Europe. The argument that guns don´t kill people , people do () is just not the case. The case is that people with guns kill people.
Let´s face it, tragically, homicides and suicides involing firerams per capita in this country outweigh any western European country not just by a bit but by orders of magnitude: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...rms-per-capita

If you have a different reason for people slautering each other using firearms other than that they have firearms, then let me know.

[simonmtb]

Originally Posted by 92se-r

california and washington dc have the highest gun violence in the nation, but guess where the strictest gun laws are.

you know, murder is illegal but for some reason these gang bangers dont follow that law. what makes you think stricter gun laws
will stop them?
blaming gun violence on guns is like blaming spoons for rosie odonnell being fat.

She could eat with her fingers but "blaming gun violence on guns" : I suppose if we get enough guns we could work on taking people out of the equation.

Seriously though, gun control does help prevent gun violence. Maybe give it a go?

[92se-r]

seriously? where do you have proof that gun control works? in 1994, a federal assault weapons ban was passed with a 10 year sunset. every year, gun violence and homicides went down. people point to this as evidence that the ban worked. however, the doj and fbi put out a report that said they had no definitive evidence that the ban led to the reduction of violence. these two agencies would love nothing more than to make the ban permanent, but even they had to concede the fact that the ban didnt do anything.

turns out, gun violence had already started to go down even before 1994 due to increased funding on gang vice units and gang prevention. it also turned out that so called assault weapons were used in such a small percentage of crimes, the ban did nothing. they do look sensational on the news though to the ignorant.

so if most crimes are committed with illegally obtained guns, how are more laws going to help? if you are proposing taking away everyones' guns, i suggest you take a class on how our country was founded.

how about this? we take a look at a small population of the united states where there are no guns and see if people manage to kill each other there. our jails.

Originally Posted by simonmtb

She could eat with her fingers but "blaming gun violence on guns" : I suppose if we get enough guns we could work on taking people out of the equation.

Seriously though, gun control does help prevent gun violence. Maybe give it a go?

[simonmtb]

Originally Posted by 92se-r

seriously? where do you have proof that gun control works? in 1994, a federal assault weapons ban was passed with a 10 year sunset. every year, gun violence and homicides went down. people point to this as evidence that the ban worked. however, the doj and fbi put out a report that said they had no definitive evidence that the ban led to the reduction of violence. these two agencies would love nothing more than to make the ban permanent, but even they had to concede the fact that the ban didnt do anything.

turns out, gun violence had already started to go down even before 1994 due to increased funding on gang vice units and gang prevention. it also turned out that so called assault weapons were used in such a small percentage of crimes, the ban did nothing. they do look sensational on the news though to the ignorant.

so if most crimes are committed with illegally obtained guns, how are more laws going to help? if you are proposing taking away everyones' guns, i suggest you take a class on how our country was founded.

how about this? we take a look at a small population of the united states where there are no guns and see if people manage to kill each other there. our jails.

Seriously? Yes, seriously.
The fact is that countries exercising gun control (eg. with hunting licenses to own a single rifle or two) have significantly lower murder rates than The United States.
The other alternative is that Americans are "somehow" more likely to want to shoot each other than other nations with equivalent social standards. Take your pick. As for me, I think it is the availability of guns that is the problem.

Also, I think that using the people in jail scenario as an example of people killing each other without guns is hardly valid or pertinent as an average sample of United States citizens, or at least hope not.

P.S. I re-read your post and would like to comment on a recent conversation I overheard in the local hardware store. A guy was saying that he recently had his house broken into and all the thieves stole were a watch and 11 (yes, eleven) guns. There are your illegally obtained firearms.
As for how this country was founded, do you mean the right to bear arms? Do you think that is still relevant if you look at the statistics? There was also slavery back in the day. Things change, hopefully for the better.

[simonmtb]

Originally Posted by 92se-r

ultimately, i think the solution is really to stop crying about how we are not understanding of how this scumbag was raised, and growing a pair, and getting rid of people in our society that are completely worthless.

That is harsh. Worthless people?.

By the way, the gun should have been replaced by a history of democracy and a vote. Just my opinion, as are all my posts.

[supralight]

i need my gunz to kill zombies. ALL of them. including the silencers and bananna clips. no undead mofos gunna be comin' up on my brainz!!!

[jamisjake]

Originally Posted by simonmtb

She could eat with her fingers but "blaming gun violence on guns" : I suppose if we get enough guns we could work on taking people out of the equation.

Seriously though, gun control does help prevent gun violence. Maybe give it a go?

Absolutely not! Thats what they told Australia before they took their firearms, and OVERNIGHT, Simon, gun violence jumped up 60 something percent! When I was in Darwin a couple of years ago, non criminals had become proficient with compound bows and crossbows in order to defend from the criminals who had guns! Simon, here is the deal, people need to be accountable for their own actions....If you shoot somebody, unless in self defense, you get the death penalty--THEN you would see crime drop. No more of this crap letting prisons pile up with dirtbags for life.