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LBmtb · 08-05-2006, 10:56 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/othe...ng/5233476.stm

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[SIZE=2]Floyd Landis is set to lose his Tour de France title and faces a two-year ban after returning a positive B sample for excessive levels of testosterone.[/SIZE]

Damn.

EndoMaster · 08-05-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LBmtb

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/othe...ng/5233476.stm

Damn.

That's a double damn for me. I had a feeling it would come back postive but I wanted to be wrong.

P-Funk · 08-05-2006, 11:03 AM

Unbelievable. I really don't understand how this happens to a (semi)big-named cyclist in the biggest race of the year with the most media. How could you NOT do everything in your power to insure that you're not ingesting any banned substances? They do have a team doctor, right? What the hell was he doing? Of course I'm just assuming that it was an accidental dose of something that was in a pain killer or something of the sort, and not that he was jamming steroids into his veins. Anyway, I just don't understand how with all of the controversy surrounding The Tour (regarding doping) that teams aren't more diligent in their steps to prevent this.

P-Funk · 08-05-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JLMTB

This after two or three of the top riders were banned from the tour for doping. It does kinda explain how he made up 8+ minutes on the 17th.

Can it really give you THAT kind of an boost though? I was under the impression that the performance increase would be negligable.

dhshuttlemonkey · 08-05-2006, 04:25 PM

Doping is widespread throughout professional road cycling, especially considering the amount of money involved for the tour winner. It's just unfortunate Landis got caught.

bananaseat · 08-05-2006, 07:52 PM

devastating. it was so cool to kick euro ass in the "post-lance" era. and what's worse it's a huge blemish for american cycling.

RidetheRAAM4 · 08-06-2006, 03:59 PM

even if it was purposely done...just injecting any sterioids or anything wont make your faster, it just helps you train harder. He still had to put in all the hard work training.

dhshuttlemonkey · 08-06-2006, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RidetheRAAM4

even if it was purposely done...just injecting any sterioids or anything wont make your faster, it just helps you train harder. He still had to put in all the hard work training.

Of course it makes you faster. Steroids are used to help your muscles recover and rebuild faster than normal therefore allowing you to train harder. You're going to be a lot stronger the next day compared to someone who doesn't use them.

boboso · 08-06-2006, 10:16 PM

blows...

Schecky · 08-06-2006, 11:34 PM

Very sad.

Ponch · 08-07-2006, 08:22 AM

This might sound stupied, but is it possible that he could have been set up? Who conducts the test, the French? Does anyone provide oversight on them? I don't know if he really did it, just curious how the system works. I know the Dutch did a review of Armstrongs deal and they not only stated Armstrong did nothing wrong, but stated the French officials were very unfair to him. It just sucks! Me coming from the running world, I'm used to this. We just had the defending gold medal winner in the 100m get in trouble for the same thing.

killa Cali Kid · 08-07-2006, 08:45 AM

nice - the cop comes out with the conspiracy theory.

Ponch · 08-07-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by killa Cali Kid

nice - the cop comes out with the conspiracy theory.

I'm just saying, there's two sides to every story (trust me, I heard some very unique ones). Its not that I think he is innocent (I really have no idea what to think), I'm just saying maybe he got set up. He probably didn't, but it makes me feel better about the whole thing.

soul rider · 08-07-2006, 12:01 PM

oh well he messed up. his problem on how to fix it. it sucks, but it seems that these things are now a fixture in most professional sports one way or another. nascar excluded, that's not a sport lol

what if he just had too many redbulls before the ride?

gurp13 · 08-07-2006, 12:15 PM

Listen, I just think it's horrible that Americans are getting persecuted for having more sack than the rest of the world. C'mon! It's a crime to have more testosterone! And, of course it's exogenous! It's a gift from God because he hates the French! This is so obvious. Floyd has bigger balls than anyone else and now he has to pay for it. What is this? AYSO? I mean, even Lance had bigger nuts, er, nut and they went after him too. I think that the French should just get over their genital envy and, well, surrender to the fact that Americans are better and they still suck.

(I'm French-Canadian. Calm down. They're jokes.)

Schecky · 08-07-2006, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gurp13

(I'm French-Canadian. Calm down. They're jokes.)

Does this mean that we can commence with the 909 jokes?.....

gurp13 · 08-07-2006, 12:45 PM

Yeah, if you live in the 909. You can make fun of whatever you are. See? I'm French. I can make fun of the French.

ShinKen · 08-07-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gurp13

Yeah, if you live in the 909. You can make fun of whatever you are. See? I'm French. I can make fun of the French.

[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]dood I can make fAn of u n-eday!! And u don’t see me getting all sensitive!![/SIZE][/FONT] muuhahhahahahhaaa!! go ride your fire road Mrmonkeytrece!!!

ooops I mean your road!!! he he

soul rider · 08-07-2006, 01:43 PM

i wish watson would have cleared those guys this year

Pain Freak · 08-07-2006, 09:08 PM

Being a roadie and a mtb'er I pay a lot of attention to the major tours and have been listening and reading about the doping accusations for a while now. Most of the top cyclists are now talking about boycotting the major tours until the UCI can do somewhat better on the testing. Almost all of the riders accused are still saying they did not do any drugs.
The guys know they're going to be tested as cycling is the most tested of all professional sports. This being the case, don't you think they'd know better then to do any drugs? The other side to this is that testosterone will not do much for you until you have been taking it for a while and the truth is it will bulk you up, just the opposite of what a cyclist would want.
A few posts back someone mentioned steroids, this was never mentioned in any of the tests. The reason he was stripped of the win was for synthetic testosterone.
Could this have been planted? Definately so, but will we ever learn of it? I don't know. What I do know is almost all the major sponsors are also getting fed up with all this drug talk/use and are considering not endorsing any more teams. We could lose all the gains we have made in bringing professional cycling to the forefront of sports. My suggestion would be a lifetime ban for anybody caught doing any kind of performance enhancing drugs. But there must be two different testing parties who have no connection with each other or no gain from reporting false tests. I'm still believeing in Landis and I believe him when he say's he didn't take it knowingly.

View Poll Results: Do you think Floyd Landis used performance enhancers?
Yes	13	44.83%
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08-05-2006, 04:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
dhshuttlemonkey STR Veteran	Doping is widespread throughout professional road cycling, especially considering the amount of money involved for the tour winner. It's just unfortunate Landis got caught. __________________ WWW.INCYCLE.COM My Sponsorhouse

08-06-2006, 03:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
RidetheRAAM4 Tri Fanatic	even if it was purposely done...just injecting any sterioids or anything wont make your faster, it just helps you train harder. He still had to put in all the hard work training. __________________ "my gain is your loss" -Some guy on craigslist Race Progression

08-06-2006, 10:16 PM	#9 (permalink)
boboso Getting back on the bike.	blows... __________________ "Welcome to All Things Scottish, if it's not Scottish, it's craaaapp!! Can I help ye?" - Stuart Rankin

08-06-2006, 11:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
Schecky SoCalMTBubbs	Very sad. __________________ tkblazer: it was Steven Jackson that led me to STR... http://www.ventanausa.com/

08-05-2006, 11:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
P-Funk Senior Member	Unbelievable. I really don't understand how this happens to a (semi)big-named cyclist in the biggest race of the year with the most media. How could you NOT do everything in your power to insure that you're not ingesting any banned substances? They do have a team doctor, right? What the hell was he doing? Of course I'm just assuming that it was an accidental dose of something that was in a pain killer or something of the sort, and not that he was jamming steroids into his veins. Anyway, I just don't understand how with all of the controversy surrounding The Tour (regarding doping) that teams aren't more diligent in their steps to prevent this.

08-05-2006, 07:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
bananaseat STR Veteran	devastating. it was so cool to kick euro ass in the "post-lance" era. and what's worse it's a huge blemish for american cycling.

08-07-2006, 08:22 AM	#11 (permalink)
Ponch Shake and Bake!	This might sound stupied, but is it possible that he could have been set up? Who conducts the test, the French? Does anyone provide oversight on them? I don't know if he really did it, just curious how the system works. I know the Dutch did a review of Armstrongs deal and they not only stated Armstrong did nothing wrong, but stated the French officials were very unfair to him. It just sucks! Me coming from the running world, I'm used to this. We just had the defending gold medal winner in the 100m get in trouble for the same thing.

08-07-2006, 08:45 AM	#12 (permalink)
killa Cali Kid I meant to do that!	nice - the cop comes out with the conspiracy theory. __________________ [FONT=Comic Sans MS][/FONT] Last edited by killa Cali Kid; 08-07-2006 at 08:49 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

08-07-2006, 12:01 PM	#14 (permalink)
soul rider Bend over	oh well he messed up. his problem on how to fix it. it sucks, but it seems that these things are now a fixture in most professional sports one way or another. nascar excluded, that's not a sport lol what if he just had too many redbulls before the ride?

08-07-2006, 12:15 PM	#15 (permalink)
gurp13 SolarFederationMember	Listen, I just think it's horrible that Americans are getting persecuted for having more sack than the rest of the world. C'mon! It's a crime to have more testosterone! And, of course it's exogenous! It's a gift from God because he hates the French! This is so obvious. Floyd has bigger balls than anyone else and now he has to pay for it. What is this? AYSO? I mean, even Lance had bigger nuts, er, nut and they went after him too. I think that the French should just get over their genital envy and, well, surrender to the fact that Americans are better and they still suck. (I'm French-Canadian. Calm down. They're jokes.) __________________ I may be a loser, but I'm not a quitter.

08-07-2006, 12:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
gurp13 SolarFederationMember	Yeah, if you live in the 909. You can make fun of whatever you are. See? I'm French. I can make fun of the French. __________________ I may be a loser, but I'm not a quitter.

08-07-2006, 01:43 PM	#19 (permalink)
soul rider Bend over	i wish watson would have cleared those guys this year

08-07-2006, 09:08 PM	#20 (permalink)
Pain Freak Peanut butta jelly	Being a roadie and a mtb'er I pay a lot of attention to the major tours and have been listening and reading about the doping accusations for a while now. Most of the top cyclists are now talking about boycotting the major tours until the UCI can do somewhat better on the testing. Almost all of the riders accused are still saying they did not do any drugs. The guys know they're going to be tested as cycling is the most tested of all professional sports. This being the case, don't you think they'd know better then to do any drugs? The other side to this is that testosterone will not do much for you until you have been taking it for a while and the truth is it will bulk you up, just the opposite of what a cyclist would want. A few posts back someone mentioned steroids, this was never mentioned in any of the tests. The reason he was stripped of the win was for synthetic testosterone. Could this have been planted? Definately so, but will we ever learn of it? I don't know. What I do know is almost all the major sponsors are also getting fed up with all this drug talk/use and are considering not endorsing any more teams. We could lose all the gains we have made in bringing professional cycling to the forefront of sports. My suggestion would be a lifetime ban for anybody caught doing any kind of performance enhancing drugs. But there must be two different testing parties who have no connection with each other or no gain from reporting false tests. I'm still believeing in Landis and I believe him when he say's he didn't take it knowingly. __________________ If quizzes are quizzical, what are tests? “Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body—but rather a skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, ‘Wow, what a ride!’ ” —anon.

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