Pro Life Obama

[Lefty Kev]

Originally Posted by Chewyeti

or people could be responsible.....

its your risk and responsibility. Have sex ---> if you get pregnant---> live with it. If you arent ready for a kid..... then use protection and be ready for the slight chance you could crank out a little dude.....

abortion = shedding your responsibilities...... (kind of like getting bailed out.... HMMMMMM)

I agree with everything you said, Chewyeti; however, where it gets murky is when it involves a fetus that is so badly compromised (ie. serious mental and/or physical defects) that it would make for an extremely difficult life for everybody involved.

As a parent of two vibrant young kids, I am opposed to abortion in principal, but there are definitely cases that, due to severe medical complications, abortion may be the only viable alternative for some.

Aside from contraception, adoption is surely the best solution to unwanted pregnancies when they are not medically-specific. There are too many couples unable to conceive a child of their own -- and the need for adoptions makes abortion unnecessary.

[dirtvert]

Originally Posted by LncNuvue

http://www.nohussein.org/

Take 10 min to watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUdjh...eature=related

It's not false propaganda if the words are coming out of his mouth and defined by his actions.

this is what the mccain camp has been reduced to: racist and/or ethnic chants and misleading ads. 100% of his ads this week were negative. pathetic.

[jeff^d]

Originally Posted by dirtvert

it's really simple. believe what you want in your home or church. but let other people decide what is best for them and their families. a little empathy goes a long way.

If only it were that simple

[dirtvert]

Originally Posted by jeff^d

If only it were that simple

then i'll make it simpler. it's a long-standing, super-precedent law that has been constitutionally upheld and is supported by the majority of the country. if you don't want to follow the law...

[boludo]

Even though I'm pro-life, as a man I cant ever feel good about telling a woman what to do.

I know 4 women who've had abortions. All when they were young, 20 and below.

ALL of them regret it to this day. One of them is 68. One of them ended up having health problems later and was never able to conceive again.

They all wish they could take it back.

This decision should be voted on by ONLY women.

This would be similar to women making a law that male babies must be circumcised.

Some things, no matter how much the "world" wants is to think otherwise, are womens things and mens things.

[Blueman]

I am always bothered by this issue being the corner stone for decisions on who people vote for. This is not an issue the President can effect. Nether is same sex marraige. Stay focused on real issues people!

[jeff^d]

Originally Posted by dirtvert

then i'll make it simpler. it's a long-standing, super-precedent law that has been constitutionally upheld and is supported by the majority of the country. if you don't want to follow the law...

The same could've been said about Jim Crow laws 60 years ago.

[Elisheva]

Thanks, Boludo, for making that point. We don't often hear about how women fair 'after the fact'. Truth is, many of them suffer with pain and shame for the rest of their lives.

[dirtvert]

Originally Posted by Blueman

I am always bothered by this issue being the corner stone for decisions on who people vote for. This is not an issue the President can effect. Nether is same sex marraige. Stay focused on real issues people!

the economy and the war are more urgent issues, but the next pres will likely appoint 1 or 2 justices that will decide which laws are upheld.

and you can't compare roe v. wade to jim crow laws. they were not the law of the land, and it was pre-civil rights.

also, millions of women suffer "after the fact" when they are forced to: drop out of school, be a single mother, live in poverty, etc.

[Elisheva]

Originally Posted by dirtvert

also, millions of women suffer "after the fact" when they are forced to: drop out of school, be a single mother, live in poverty, etc.

I don't call that suffering. I call that being responsible for getting myself pregnant.

I am a single parent. I am not poor. I do not live in poverty and I have a Masters Degree. My children are responsible, well behaved kids and they are on their way to college

Life is full of choices.

[Nagaredama]

Originally Posted by Elisheva

Life is full of choices.

Then let women choose for themselves.

[dirtvert]

congratulations on being the exception. i'd invite you to come and teach with me in south l.a. for a few days and look at what the unintended consequences are when people's religious/personal beliefs are forced on the general population.

btw- many of my kids didn't have choices. they live in poverty; come to school without breakfast; live in violent neighborhoods in crappy conditions with crime, pollution, and noise; have dysfunctional families, etc., etc...some of them will get pregnant in middle school (they have a separate class for them). if they don't have access to sex ed. and access to a clinic if they do get pregnant, the odds are that they will likely continue the cycle with their kids.

[Elisheva]

I taught high school for 12 years and I've seen the other side of that, too.

I'll close now as this side issue, as important as it is, is not in alignment with the original post.

[Shannon]

Originally Posted by dirtvert

also, millions of women suffer "after the fact" when they are forced to: drop out of school, be a single mother, live in poverty, etc.

There's also adoption. A mother is NOT forced to do the above mentioned. There are 1,000's of couples who aren't able to have children that would give wonderful homes to babies that would otherwise be killed by abortion.

[Nagaredama]

Originally Posted by Shannon

There's also adoption. A mother is NOT forced to do the above mentioned. There are 1,000's of couples who aren't able to have children that would give wonderful homes to babies that would otherwise be killed by abortion.

...and there are roughly 500,000 kids in foster care in the United States waiting to be adopted.

[dirtvert]

why FORCE them to have a baby just because YOU think it's right. they have to stop working and can have complications and possibly even die.

i can't believe we're still having this conversation as a country. it's like fighting the american taliban.

vote your conscience and then live with the laws that the country agrees on and the constitution upholds. maybe we could just give texas to the hardcore cons--they could make their own laws, put up a giant fence around the entire border, and appoint bush king of the theocracy. problem solved. you're welcome...


thanks, nag. the whole foster industry is an ugly hidden fact that produces a lot of messed up kids/adults.

and thanks, mtbmaven, for throwing a cat in amongst the pigeons.

peace out,
doug

[Nagaredama]

Did legalized abortion lead to less crime? Read the attached PDF.

[asian fury]

Originally Posted by jeff^d

The same could've been said about Jim Crow laws 60 years ago.

my favorite line about those yes on 8 commercials is "it's no longer about tolerance", please tell me what it's about then. it would be awful if elementary schools taught my children about being tolerant of others.

[LncNuvue]

Please get the low down on the sub-prime meltdown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaABV1CWXug

[92se-r]

I know any easy solution. Mandatory chemical castration at the age of 12. Too many assclowns are "parents" nowadays. They need to REALLY want to be a parent and jump through hoops and shit to be allowed to be a parent. That'll get rid of all the "oops" babies and unwanted babies.