Perhaps the fastest street car I've ever seen...

[92se-r]

I vote the 4G63 and the SR20DET the two greatest 4 cylinders ever made. 500whp on stock internals anyone?

[Man blong Gaua]

Love the speed, thats why I downhill. If I could afford to race a car on the track, I likely would. But racing on the street with people going to/from work is just plain dumb. I think the guys in the first showcase video are a bunch of dumb$%^es with too much money to blow. Just my opinion. On the other hand I am very impressed with the amount of knowledge you all have on how to build these rigs. Seriously amazing stuff. Makes rebuilding a DH bike look like legos in comparison.

[Lovin]

More money than brains. Couldn't keep it in control on the track, so he takes it to public streets?

Pathetic.

One of the reasons I'm not a roadie.

[Timbuk2]

My idea of a great street vehicle is one that pulls the racecar to the track. Street racing is stupid. There is no other word for it. If someone wants to go fast, there are plenty of ways to do it without endangering innocents.

Here is how I spend most of MY dollars... (yeah, I know. Miatas are girlie cars... right?)

http://www.specmiatavideos.com/compi...s/freeride.wmv

[freekengo]

Originally Posted by 92se-r

I vote the 4G63 and the SR20DET the two greatest 4 cylinders ever made. 500whp on stock internals anyone?

I think you forgot the EJ20.....

[freekengo]

Originally Posted by L8 APEKS

I'm sure some of you have seen this. For those that haven't, it's a treat!

Take one rich street racer. Add a Ford GT. Subtract supercharger. Add 2 turbochargers.

Dyno tune to 1012whp and 898wtq, and annihilate any street bike 1000cc+ like they are in reverse.

It's a recipe for FUN!



...he finally lost to a Turbo Hayabusa, and is working on a new engine for the GT.

Sad........ All that money spent on the car, totally wasted on a talentless driver.... I guess money doesn't buy you talent.

Another thing that I don't understand is why people take a car that was supposed to road race and put it on the drag strip? The suspension was never designed with that in mind. And talk about upsetting the chassis balance of the car....... Very unfortunate. Make a time attack or race car out of it and I might respect that guy. All that money spent on the engine, and I can bet that the guy hasn't spent hardly any money on the suspension.

Just my 2 yens.

[Geronimo]

the video with the smart car with a hayabusa engine was great!

[92se-r]

The EJ20 wasn't putting nearly as much power on stock internals was it?

Originally Posted by freekengo

I think you forgot the EJ20.....

[COLEKO]

[mazda-monkey]

Originally Posted by Timbuk2

My idea of a great street vehicle is one that pulls the racecar to the track. Street racing is stupid. There is no other word for it. If someone wants to go fast, there are plenty of ways to do it without endangering innocents.

Here is how I spend most of MY dollars... (yeah, I know. Miatas are girlie cars... right?)

http://www.specmiatavideos.com/compi...s/freeride.wmv

I agree 100%. Miatas are not girlie cars!

[L8 APEKS]

Wow. I guess page 2 is the high and mighty page?!

Start another thread for "casting the first stone." I was just trying to show you guys a cool car, not philosophize the morals or talents of the driver.

Every single one of you car guys in here have broken a speed limit or tried to beat another guy off the line. Period.

Oh, but wait...this is STR, where we are all instantly sanitized and purified upon logging in, and all wrongs are righted, allowing us to play God and judge other people!

[freekengo]

Originally Posted by 92se-r

The EJ20 wasn't putting nearly as much power on stock internals was it?

I think the WRX guys would disagree.

[Timbuk2]

You're right L8- Sorry. You're also right in that is one heck of a car.

Different strokes, right?

[92se-r]

as far as i can remember, only the 2.5l was putting out those sort of numbers. you had to dig into the motor to make the stupid power on the ej20s i thought. i could be wrong.

Originally Posted by freekengo

I think the WRX guys would disagree.

[DISCO]

I don't think the subie motors can do more than 4-500 to the wheels without heavy mods and no chance of a smog check.

And as far as the driver of the car that started this thread regardless of gearing or LSD trying to funnel that kind of power to the ground through only two wheels will always be sketchy. Whats really cool is the Mazda speed 3's that limit boost in first and second for exactly that reason.

[freekengo]

Originally Posted by 92se-r

as far as i can remember, only the 2.5l was putting out those sort of numbers. you had to dig into the motor to make the stupid power on the ej20s i thought. i could be wrong.

Design wise the EJ20 is a much more stout motor. Also the cylinder heads flow much better on the 2.0L in comparison to the 2.5L which was created for more low end torque for the USDM. Although the new 2.5L in the STI's are nothing to shake a stick at, but the rod stroke ratio in the 2.0L is much better. The 2.5L is much easier to drive due to the better mid range torque but ultimate power wise, I think the 2.0L has more potential. Just my opinion.

Add grain of salt.

[Dman233]

Here's a quick streetable Duramax. The guy lives in the Corona area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6sm0lFKmXU&NR=1

[L8 APEKS]

Originally Posted by DISCO

I don't think the subie motors can do more than 4-500 to the wheels without heavy mods and no chance of a smog check.

And as far as the driver of the car that started this thread regardless of gearing or LSD trying to funnel that kind of power to the ground through only two wheels will always be sketchy. Whats really cool is the Mazda speed 3's that limit boost in first and second for exactly that reason.

Yeah, my buddy has a Scooby making in the 400's (WHP). It sure isn't smog legal at those power levels. But it is the stock bottom end. How long it will last at that kind of power is another question yet to be answered!

As for the Mazda 3...I think that's kinda lame. I mean, you're paying for a 263-hp car, but you only get that power in 3rd through 5th (or 6th?). I don't like limiters in 1st and 2nd...I feel I'm getting less for my money!

Originally Posted by Dman233

Here's a quick streetable Duramax. The guy lives in the Corona area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6sm0lFKmXU&NR=1

Man, some of things are nuts. I was reading a dyno run of diesel trucks and some dude put down ~600+whp and ~1400+ wtq! He probably doesn't even tow anything either. lol.

[DISCO]

The limiters only limit boost instead of rpms, ignition retarding, or fuel pressure because there is no traction in the first two gears. Still if a quaife diff were installed it's an easy hack to re-flash the ECM. But this is what I mean, all this just compensates for inferiorities insipient to the design. Purpose built cars can handle far more than they leave the factory with, like the 1000 hp DSM I raved about.

Still none of this will change the speed limit, which is why I prefer torque and handling to crazy max boost or top end, Streetable is the magic word in this thread.

[L8 APEKS]

Originally Posted by DISCO

The limiters only limit boost instead of rpms, ignition retarding, or fuel pressure because there is no traction in the first two gears. Still if a quaife diff were installed it's an easy hack to re-flash the ECM. But this is what I mean, all this just compensates for inferiorities insipient to the design. Purpose built cars can handle far more than they leave the factory with, like the 1000 hp DSM I raved about.

Still none of this will change the speed limit, which is why I prefer torque and handling to crazy max boost or top end, Streetable is the magic word in this thread.

Well, I'm just not a DSM fan. I had one. It broke. A lot. They are over rated IMHO. The engine can handle as much boost and produce as much power as just about any other DOHC Turbo 16V of similar displacement. It's amazing how much boost you can cram into an engine that leaves the factory with a 7.75:1 static compression ratio like the DSM. My Corrado ran ~22psi on the stock bottom end (1.8L 8V SOHC design from about 1975...cast pistons). Most Turbo Volvos of the 1980's vintage will take ~25psi before throwing in the towel. The 4G63 can't take much more than that in stock form.

As for a Quaife...it wouldn't help all that much. I used to work for Quaife in San Juan Capistrano. But you seem to exalt the DSM like it's some sort of demi-god...and there's no sort of "flaw" in the design of tha