Save our schools please!

[el_d00der1n0]

Originally Posted by EMrider

Yep, an important topic.....but certainly not a bike-related topic.

Originally Posted by KeepsWhatHappens

Oops meant this for the pub. My apologies.

My point being that once we get started down this road, it's hard to turn back. If we are all to remain friends here, politics is a subject to avoid. I'm not even suggesting this post began as a political discussion. But I saw it take a turn, and well, ...

here we go again.

Can't we relegate our debates to 9ers vs. 36ers? I don't even see a prob with 9ers vs. Chargers. It's just impossible to come to any kind of compromise when it comes to political discussion...

[allison]

Originally Posted by el_d00der1n0

I don't even see a prob with 9ers vs. Chargers.

They're not even in the same conference, so aside from every 3-4 years it really doesn't matter.

[dstepper]

They will threaten school cuts and maybe the education system will be some, harming the children always gets people’s attention. During the 1993 Orange County bankruptcy the services that were hit the hardest were county indigent services. The areas of mental health services and medical services to the ones most in need are always the first to feel the pinch.

Dean

[el_d00der1n0]

Originally Posted by allison

They're not even in the same conference, so aside from every 3-4 years it really doesn't matter.

i was just punning off the niner thang. we're the only city in socal with a team, so...

[Kpeony]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I sent an e-mail to the Governator regarding the 50-some state parks he's going to be closing as a result of his "equitable" 10% budget cut across te board (I Lifeguard for State Parks in the Summer). Here's the reply I got:

"Thank you for writing Governor Schwarzenegger and sharing your thoughts on the budget crisis' impact on the California State Park system. The Governor appreciates your input during this difficult budget year.

A weakened national economy and auto-pilot state spending has created a projected budget shortfall of $14.5 billion for fiscal year 2008-09. Although state government revenues this coming year are actually forecast to hold steady, the problem is that every year automatic spending formulas increase expenditures. Left unchecked, next year's budget would need to grow by 7.3-percent, which is $7.6 billion; even booming economies can't meet that kind of increase. To immediately combat this crisis, the Governor has proposed a 10-percent reduction in nearly every General Fund program from their projected 2008-09 funding levels. While these reductions are unquestionably painful and challenging, this across-the-board approach is designed to protect essential services by spreading reductions as evenly as possible.

To achieve this difficult reduction, State Parks will be reducing both its permanent and seasonal workforce. As a result, 48 park units will be closed or partially closed to the public and placed in caretaker status. By closing parks and eliminating positions, remaining resources can be consolidated and shifted to other parks to provide for services necessary to keep those parks open and operating. While 48 parks are affected by closures, 230 parks-or 83% of the system-will remain open.

We must reform our state budget process. Government cannot continue to put people through the binge and purge of our budget process that has now led to park closures. That's why the Governor has proposed a Budget Stabilization Act. Under the Governor's plan, when revenues grow, Sacramento would not be able to spend all the money. Instead, we would set a portion aside in a Revenue Stabilization Fund to stabilize the budget in down years. If a deficit develops during the year, instead of waiting to accumulate billions of dollars of debt, the Governor's plan would automatically trigger lower funding levels already agreed upon by the Legislature. Had this system been in place the past decade, we would not be facing a $14.5 billion deficit.

As Governor Schwarzenegger works with his partners in the Legislature, he will keep your concerns in mind. With your help, we will turn today's temporary problem into a permanent victory for the people of California.

Sincerely,



Jared Bocka
Office of Constituent Affairs"

I'm not saying don't complain, I'm saying be prepared to get blown off.

Zippy, don't ask me how I did it, its a mystery to me. I called the Terminators office during the Santiago fires and got through to his clerk, wherein I complained about not getting any helicopters to help. Must of helped a bit because we got them the next day. No pun intended here, but "the squeaky wheel always gets oiled" Keep squeaking everybody!

[Waldo]

Originally Posted by granny ring

Once again in the doublespeak of politics they love to trot out the "cuts to education" There has NEVER been a decrease in overall funding of education. Just because you give a smaller increase in spending than originally called for it is not an cut in funding.

Factor in inflation, rising construction costs, skyrocketing energy costs, outrageous increases in textbook prices, climbing insurance costs, and increased payroll expenses: After all that, a lack of increases works out to be a decrease in effective funding of education.

All other opinions aside, there have to be increases, just to keep up.
But I do believe we can all agree to disagree on politics and still be friends who ride & post here together.

[ohyeah89]

Anyone know how much the payroll fiasco actually cost the LAUSD? The cost to implement the new system, the cost to repay those teachers who didn;t get paid, the cost to fix it, and now the cost if they have to payout on all the lawsuits? Just wondering....

[xhuskr]

Originally Posted by dirtvert

we (i teach in l.a.) already don't have music, art, or p.e. teachers. what else can they cut? oh, yeah- our salaries...

PE, Art, music? haven't seen much of those in awhile...it's all about test scores!

yep...this seems to be a pattern...whether you agree of disagree with our current education system..you MUST agree that the kids are the ones hit hardest or lightest...and it looks like it's going to be hard....again! Let's help California move towards the top. Our governor won his election on his promises...one of which was to be an "eduction governor" ....... write/email/call him and ask him whassup?!

I fear for our kids, teachers, and parents who will be held responsible for a possible decline in student achievement while it's OK for the money to trickle away

rant done!

[katonk]

Originally Posted by el_d00der1n0

My point being that once we get started down this road, it's hard to turn back. If we are all to remain friends here, politics is a subject to avoid. I'm not even suggesting this post began as a political discussion. But I saw it take a turn, and well, ...

here we go again.

Can't we relegate our debates to 9ers vs. 36ers? I don't even see a prob with 9ers vs. Chargers. It's just impossible to come to any kind of compromise when it comes to political discussion...

Could be worse mang. This could a debate about tubeless, "newbies" on night rides at the loop, Chumba, or the insidious beast that was the "How do you feel about Pot Smoking on the trail" over at empty beer.

And, who are these "Chargers" you speak of? Are they a AAA baseball team?

[FoShizzle]

WTF is up with these ghey posts lately? do we really need to screw up a good bike forum with this public radio crap? who the helll goes to a bike forum wanting to ghey out with this nonsense? sure as hell not me....I strongly encourage people to stick to bikes and have this forum remain a break for reality.....

there are plenty of other stupid ass forums to hug trees on that are intended for that crap

[Liquid55]

why don't they cut the 206k a year salary for the governor with pension for life or the 162k average for congressmen and pension for life???

[schleppp]

Originally Posted by FoShizzle

WTF is up with these ghey posts lately? do we really need to screw up a good bike forum with this public radio crap? who the helll goes to a bike forum wanting to ghey out with this nonsense? sure as hell not me....I strongly encourage people to stick to bikes and have this forum remain a break for reality.....

there are plenty of other stupid ass forums to hug trees on that are intended for that crap

I don't mean to sound like a jerk but, If these posts are so ghey why are you involving yourself? If this is a "community" as we often say it is this is a perfectly normal part of it. If it is not for you just ignore it. That is what I do with all of the threads about bikes.

[2wheel_lee]

So there's obviously two sides to this whole budgeting thing, right? Spending and revenue. No one really wants to compromise on either, but here's what the members of STR can do. Although we can't really help with the spending part, we can help with the California state revenue through the contribution of sales tax. This means buy more bike parts! This will result in increased sales tax dollars going to our state. It's also good for the economy. I'm doing my part. How about you?

[FoShizzle]

Originally Posted by 2wheel_lee

So there's obviously two sides to this whole budgeting thing, right? Spending and revenue. No one really wants to compromise on either, but here's what the members of STR can do. Although we can't really help with the spending part, we can help with the California state revenue through the contribution of sales tax. This means buy more bike parts! This will result in increased sales tax dollars going to our state. It's also good for the economy. I'm doing my part. How about you?

well said!

most kids are punks so who cares how much money we put into schools.....they will turn into criminals clogging our prison system anyway. the real answer is to use the money we would be using on schools and put it straight into the prison system, along with the kids.

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by FoShizzle

well said!

most kids are punks so who cares how much money we put into schools.....they will turn into criminals clogging our prison system anyway. the real answer is to use the money we would be using on schools and put it straight into the prison system, along with the kids.

then turn the prisions into cheap manufacturing facilities. Bike parts, atomic weapons.....you know stuff like that. They can make more than license plates right

[FoShizzle]

Originally Posted by DeeZee

then turn the prisions into cheap manufacturing facilities. Bike parts, atomic weapons.....you know stuff like that. They can make more than license plates right

exactly....i knew you would agree with my excellent logic.

people here pretending they can solve the world's unsolveable problems....puuhhhhllleeeze. kids that are idiots and/or punk ass gangsters gain NOTHING from their schools getting more money.

All these socialist, idealist freaks who think life's social problems can be solved using some stupid chapter in their sociology 101 text....gimme a friggin break.

its all about having I9s, spending more money on bikes than is warranted....thats what life is really about it.

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by FoShizzle

exactly....i knew you would agree with my excellent logic.

people here pretending they can solve the world's unsolveable problems....puuhhhhllleeeze. kids that are idiots and/or punk ass gangsters gain NOTHING from their schools getting more money.

All these socialist, idealist freaks who think life's social problems can be solved using some stupid chapter in their sociology 101 text....gimme a friggin break.

its all about having I9s, spending more money on bikes than is warranted....thats what life is really about it.

The schools / teachers are not the problem it is the product they work with.

ps. I have new bike fever and don't know what to get!

[bighit8]

I guess the answer to solving are problems is making kids dumber so they wont fight the government wasting money on things such as HUMVEES and fraudulent elections and campaign scams.