IRS Rebate Thread Offshoot

[Roadstar_Rider]

Im posting this because I think my reply to the thread will kind of move it in a different direction. This is the other thread.

$600 - $1200? Thanks for the new parts.



People started talking about how those who dont make a lot of money and dont pay taxes, or as much taxes, and also those who make to too much money will not be getting rebate checks this year as bush attempts to save a small bit of what most of the American people think of him. I think the IRS and our tax system are way out of date and inefficiant,

Im not trying to campaign for this guy, although I am voting for him, but I like the way he thinks.

Mike Huckabee actually has a decent tax plan that looks like it could work. When he was governor of Arkansas he left them with a surplus of hundreds of millions of dollars because of the way he managed the money, and still gave the people tax breaks.

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAct...iew&Issue_id=5

You all should do research and vote. I have seen first had what it is like to be in a country that is torn apart by people who want to prevent a right that most Americans take for granted.

http://www.votehelp.org is a great site. It asks a bunch of questions and tells you who you match the most with out of the list of candidates.

Semper Fi.

[MTBMaven]

I totally applicate your comments and agree whole heartedly. Though I will never vote for Huckabee. I think he is the last thing this country needs. I have NOTHING against his religious views and respect him highly as a person. I think he actually is a true believer in the Christian values he preaches; unlike the wolf in sheep's clothing we have in office now - who IMO is a huge hypocrite. But this country does not need someone with such extreme religious views and wants to legislate morality. That is not what this country is about. I feel it sets us on a path no different that many Muslim states. While not as extreme as an Afghanistan under the Taliban mind you.

I did find your link with information on the "FairTax", which is nothing more than a euphemism for Flat Tax, quite interesting. It's not like big corporations pay taxes now so that's a wash. I found the MIT study showing our current tax laws cost the USA 1 billion in lost exports weak and un-compelling. 1 billion, that's it. 1 billion is not much money when considered as a percent of national GDP or annual exports. Hell this government spends that in a day or week in Iraq. I don't want to hear crap about the deficit and how I need to help fix it as long as we are in Iraq. A war we never should have been in to some how keep America safe; meanwhile the real terrorists are running free in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Bahh

I tell you who I do like is McCain. And I'm a liberal Democrat. I like his integrity. I loved his stance against Big Pharma in one of the debates when he called them evil. I thought that was truly rad. I can't say I agree with is position on issues rather I feel like he would be one of the most decent and honest presidents since Carter.

Regardless people...get out there and vote.

[Roadstar_Rider]

Yea I went to the votehelp.org website and mccain was my third match at like 93% or something. Huckabee was 95.4% for me, i forget who number 2 was.

[el_d00der1n0]

I've been fighting the urge to get into political debate, but since this thread is dedicated to it...

This is what scares me about Huckabee. We're being held back scientifically because of dogma.

Originally Posted by MTBMaven

I tell you who I do like is McCain. And I'm a liberal Democrat. I like his integrity. I loved his stance against Big Pharma in one of the debates when he called them evil. I thought that was truly rad. I can't say I agree with is position on issues rather I feel like he would be one of the most decent and honest presidents since Carter.

Regardless people...get out there and vote.

But, did you watch last night? McCain thinks the Iraq war was necessary. He even invoked the old WMD argument.

[MTBMaven]

Originally Posted by el_d00der1n0

But, did you watch last night? McCain thinks the Iraq war was necessary. He even invoked the old WMD argument.

Really...sad. I have been looking through his website at his position on issues. I don't agree with most. Though I have to say between Hukabee, Romney, McCain, and Juliani I would most prefer to see McCain in the Republican ticket. The other scare me I'd be ok with Ron Paul but he doesn't have a chance in hell unfortunately.

I just don't get the short sightedness to believe the Iraq war was good for this country or world in any way. I guess maybe if all I watched was Fox News, but really people? Do you still think that war was the right move?

[stinkyrider]

I'm convinced that every politician in the United States today is a complete scroundrel, liar, hypocrite, and an overall mother F__er.

All it comes down to is picking the lesser of two evils (Republican vs. Democrat) and go with the candidate that you that makes you vomit the least.

I'd like to see more politcal parties rise up and capture an high percentage of the vote like Green or Libertarian. I may not agree with their politics but at least it's another choice.

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by Roadstar_Rider

Im posting this because I think my reply to the thread will kind of move it in a different direction. This is the other thread.

$600 - $1200? Thanks for the new parts.



People started talking about how those who dont make a lot of money and dont pay taxes, or as much taxes, and also those who make to too much money will not be getting rebate checks this year as bush attempts to save a small bit of what most of the American people think of him. I think the IRS and our tax system are way out of date and inefficiant,

Im not trying to campaign for this guy, although I am voting for him, but I like the way he thinks.

Mike Huckabee actually has a decent tax plan that looks like it could work. When he was governor of Arkansas he left them with a surplus of hundreds of millions of dollars because of the way he managed the money, and still gave the people tax breaks.

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAct...iew&Issue_id=5

You all should do research and vote. I have seen first had what it is like to be in a country that is torn apart by people who want to prevent a right that most Americans take for granted.

http://www.votehelp.org is a great site. It asks a bunch of questions and tells you who you match the most with out of the list of candidates.

Semper Fi.

reading this post after this "When he was governor of Arkansas"

[Roadstar_Rider]

Here is kind of how I feel about the war in Iraq. I agree that Iraq poses a huge threat. Both then and now. Its a well known fact that terrorists trained and operated there before the war. The country did nothing about it. I agree with what bush did, but not the way he went about it. He should have gone about it more politically. Going striaght to a war was wrong, however I think that the war would have come anyway. and we would still be in the same situation we are in today. Now on that note, We can not just abandon the Iraqi people. Their country is torn apart, partly because of us, and partly because of these crazy ass mofos that wont change and think of any reason they can for a holy war. Many of the people there are innocent and just want to live their lives. I can guarentee that most of them probably dont want to live again under a dictatorship like the last one. And that is exactly what will happen if we just up and leave. Some crazy Islamic radical will come in, take over, and the people will once again live under a radical Islamic regime, and terroism will again thrive, thus putting is back in the same boat we were in before the war.

I see one of 2 things happening. Either we end up killing all the crazies, or an Islamic figure of some kind that those people over there respect will finally talk some sense in to them and make them realize that killing everyone in the world isn't the way to go about things.

[queenwilhelmina]

I haven't read about the candidates nearly as much as I'd like to, but what I've read about Huckabee's tax plan sounds incredible.

However, most of his other views disgust me. He wants to overturn Roe vs. Wade, does not support gay marriage, etc. Typical Republican stuff.

I'm a Libertarian and I believe that people should have the freedom to make these choices for themselves. The tax plans sounds great and everything, but I don't think I'd like the direction the country would take with him in office. We really need to get away from all those Puritan values IMO.

[ShinKen]

Originally Posted by MTBMaven

Do you still think that war was the right move?

Sad indeed and to this day I have run into people that still think GB to be a great president and that we had to be out there for some reason!! They always seem to fail to justify or explain why!! You try talking to people and they get all feelings or plain out stop talking about it!! How lame is that ehh? Even now people don’t really know who was responsible for 911!! dood is out there running free. But everyone knows who made the cut on the American idol joint correct? freaking sad!!!!

Ignorance is one sick poison for sure!!

[Frozen208]

Originally Posted by stinkyrider

I'm convinced that every politician in the United States today is a complete scroundrel, liar, hypocrite, and an overall mother F__er.

All it comes down to is picking the lesser of two evils (Republican vs. Democrat) and go with the candidate that you that makes you vomit the least.

I'd like to see more politcal parties rise up and capture an high percentage of the vote like Green or Libertarian. I may not agree with their politics but at least it's another choice.

I don't think this will ever happen, most people don't think for themselves(media/religious views etc. I am not against religion but should play no part in your choice of politicians), or vote for the person they think will beat the candidate they hate the most. Third party parties would have a better chance if people actually voted with their beliefs/stances on issues instead of who is raising the most money/can beat the person they hate.

[station]

I have to agree our tax system is outdated. I can't wait to see what happens in the next few years.

Side note: Remember Mountain biking? Man I miss it. The only up side of this rain is how amazingly green this spring is going to be. I can't wait to hit the trails.

[drclark]

I'm completely lost on who to vote for this comming primary/election cycle.

I think it is ironic that some people are touting the fact that the two dem. are both minority classes (female, african american) shows how far America has come yet when a candidate expresses their religious (which is also a protected category) views it give everyone the hee-bee-gee-bees (both Romney who is Moron and Huckabee). I suppose it would be different if Huckabee was a muslim or other non-christian religion.

Everyone has to remember that the president is only one person. He/she cannot change laws unless they can get the majority of congress to go along with them. Thats the reason I don't get too riled up of their personal views on morality, abortion, etc. President can submit a bill to congress for consideration or veto whatever congressional bill lands on their desk. Worst case is you'll get the status quo if the president and congress don't agree. Presidential exeuctive orders can only affect how the executive branch enforces current law The biggest impact the next president will likely have is their supreme court nominations, but even those have to make it through the senate affirmation process.

I also doubt that congress will ever change the tax code. Abolishing the IRS would put too many federal employees out of work. Also, the income tax code is one of the primary tools they use for social engineering and rewarding their campaign contributors by creating special exemptions and deductions, etc.

My problem with McCain is the McCain-Feingold act essentially destroyed free speech during campaigns (one of the few times the NRA and ACLU actually teamed up to fight against something) and his stance on immigration is too soft (failed McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill).

I will probably vote for Ron Paul in the upcomming primary because I feel that Romney and McCain deviate too far from core-conservative values (i.e. small, limited government). I have no idea who I'll end up voting for in the general election. Voting no on all the upcomming props though.

I'm not even going to go into my opinions about the wealth redistribution (rebate) plan. The .gov will be borrowing even more money from china to fund this plan so we can go out and buy more stuff that is mostly made in.................. china? The smart ones will use their rebate to help paydown some of their outstanding debt.

drc

[Abui]

Originally Posted by MTBMaven

Really...sad. I have been looking through his website at his position on issues. I don't agree with most. Though I have to say between Hukabee, Romney, McCain, and Juliani I would most prefer to see McCain in the Republican ticket. The other scare me I'd be ok with Ron Paul but he doesn't have a chance in hell unfortunately.

I just don't get the short sightedness to believe the Iraq war was good for this country or world in any way. I guess maybe if all I watched was Fox News, but really people? Do you still think that war was the right move?

It doesn't matter if it was the right or wrong move. What counts are future moves, and even Hillary said there would still be troops in Iraq during the next President's 2nd term. The canidates are basing their hopes on criticism about the past because to speak of the reality of the futute world is too scary.

[Fired Yo Momma]

Originally Posted by ShinKen

Sad indeed and to this day I have run into people that still think GB to be a great president and that we had to be out there for some reason!! They always seem to fail to justify or explain why!! You try talking to people and they get all feelings or plain out stop talking about it!! How lame is that ehh? Even now people don’t really know who was in responsible for 911!! dood is out there running free. But everyone knows who made the cut on the American idol joint correct? freaking sad!!!!

Ignorance is one sick poison for sure!!

You have to realize this Jose you live in Orange County where the majority of people are diehard conservative republicans where no matter what GWB it will always be right.

Here is a funny story I have a older friend (buisness owner) that every other week we get together at our local bar and share a couple pitchers of Bud Light. Long story short this guy was a hardcore GWB to the bone the guy is the best thing in the world this or that anyways when GWB was giving his support on the immigration reform act my older friend Dennis jumped ship from GWB fast and big time. The reason why is because my older friend Dennis is a buisness owner that employs many Mexican workers. No more Mexican workers = no more big money!

[el_d00der1n0]

Originally Posted by drclark

I'm completely lost on who to vote for this comming primary/election cycle.

Me too.

Originally Posted by drclark

I think it is ironic that some people are touting the fact that the two dem. are both minority classes (female, african american) shows how far America has come yet when a candidate expresses their religious (which is also a protected category) views it give everyone the hee-bee-gee-bees (both Romney who is Moron and Huckabee). I suppose it would be different if Huckabee was a muslim or other non-christian religion.

A minority president may help things get into law which help their group. That's the problem with candidates who run on religion. Romney's Mormonism is mainly a concern to the evangelicals really. I don't think he's running on a religion like Huckabee is.

Originally Posted by drclark

Everyone has to remember that the president is only one person. He/she cannot change laws unless they can get the majority of congress to go along with them. Thats the reason I don't get too riled up of their personal views on morality, abortion, etc. President can submit a bill to congress for consideration or veto whatever congressional bill lands on their desk. Worst case is you'll get the status quo if the president and congress don't agree. Presidential exeuctive orders can only affect how the executive branch enforces cur