Looking at Fry's ad for Mac and

[Abui]

they're selling Norton AntiVirus For Mac. I must have had a bad concussion, (1) to look at Macs and (2) to think it was virus-proof.

It's time to spice up the desktop. I've been waiting for the next generation quad-core to hit Fry's. For Macs its really the software that makes the difference so why can't I build a quad-core and install Mac OS?

[LBmtb]

Originally Posted by Caveman

For Macs its really the software that makes the difference so why can't I build a quad-core and install Mac OS?

Control is the most simple answer to that. Jobs and Apple want to be able to control the quality of the computer from the software to the hardware and want to avoid dealing with poorly built systems. That and of course being able to price it how they see fit.

As for the virus thing, yea there's Norton, ClamAV, and I think another one but they're not really needed (as of yet) unless it's serving as a file server between windows computers. When I was a tech at cal state long beach there would be professors asking the same question and one even installed it on her Mac. But 98% of our macs there never had anti-virus software and never needed it.

BTW . . . I think there is a way to install Mac OS on a regular system. Check out this link.

[Jordansrealm]

Norton is the devil. I would never, ever put it on another PC or MAC of mine. Its a memory gobbler that cripples your system. Try out AVG or some others that are totally FREE and do just as good a job.

[LBmtb]

Originally Posted by Jordansrealm

Norton is the devil. I would never, ever put it on another PC or MAC of mine. Its a memory gobbler that cripples your system. Try out AVG or some others that are totally FREE and do just as good a job.

Gotta agree with Jordan on that one. Norton and McAfee both eat up a lot of memory. Just look at your task manager and see how much memory it's using. AVG is certainly a nice alternative.

[dstepper]

With a router and safe hexing I have not had a virus or used virus protection for 5 years...using Windows. My family members run Norton and call me all the time with problems. Norton makes computers very funky. If I had a problem I would use Nod32 first.

Dean

[kanga]

As a fellow closet geek, you should know about this site:

http://frys-electronics-ads.com

Saves all that buying the newspaper just to get the ad hassle...

[northshore]

Originally Posted by Caveman

they're selling Norton AntiVirus For Mac. I must have had a bad concussion, (1) to look at Macs and (2) to think it was virus-proof.

It's time to spice up the desktop. I've been waiting for the next generation quad-core to hit Fry's. For Macs its really the software that makes the difference so why can't I build a quad-core and install Mac OS?

Two words: Norton Sucks. Talk about intrusive and resource intensive.

[Abui]

I agree with all of the above on Norton products, right down to the ghost program. I use NOD32 based upon Leo Laporte's advertising.

[JoeTruth]

The reason why Mac's can't be installed on anything other then a Mac is due to Apple's strict licensing policy, motivated by a Mac hardware and software monopoly and control. In my opinion, it boils more down to greed then making sure things work right. That's too bad because if Apple did allow licensing (i.e. Microsoft), they could very possibly be Microsoft today. Instead, they're content with bigger margins and less volume and market share. I'm sure the Mac users will somehow spin this as Apple being passionate and pure but I disagree. Steve Jobs is a businessman and his share holders expect him to generate revenue. Somehow, I don't think Mac kumbaya festivals around the globe are high on their priority list.

Re: Norton and AV: More popular Mac's get, the more likely you will see more viruses for them. There is no such thing as a full proof OS. That's a misconception and we're talking about simple mathematics. Norton is a hog and does take up way too much system resources; that's especially true on a machine that's a few years old and the owner decides to install the newly released software. Software is written to take advantage of all the new processor instructions written in new processors and they tend to fully take advantage of processor, L2 cache, graphics, ram resources, bus speed and new OS. People's computer wouldn't slow down (baring malware and viruses) if they kept the software on it that it was originally designed for. The latest is not always the greatest.

Grisoft AVG is a fair product and is much less resource hungry then any Symantec product.

BTW, Fry's Electronics are full of bate and switch ploys. Spend your money wisely and carefully with them, if you must. In my opinion, they're borderline thieves.

[katonk]

I've administered PC, Mac and Linux servers and desktops for "awhile" now. There's always been AV for Mac and Linux available. You want to run AV on them to stop spreading infected files to PC's. This is especially needed when you have a mixed network with files and email going between Mac and PC's.

The reason you can not legally run Mac OS X on a generic PC is simple. So Apple can sell more computers. Period. And it works.

[Abui]

Originally Posted by JoeTruth

BTW, Fry's Electronics are full of bate and switch ploys. Spend your money wisely and carefully with them, if you must. In my opinion, they're borderline thieves.

I've found Fry's always honest. Their return policy is simple, return for a full refund. Their rebates get paid too.

Best Buy is the bait and switch center. They also have products with model numbers found nowhere else on earth so they don't have to follow through on price matching.

[Evel Knievel]

Macs are not immune. It is only that havkers write code to affect 95% of machines. They do not waste time with the 5%.

[el_d00der1n0]

Originally Posted by Evel Knievel

Macs are not immune. It is only that havkers write code to affect 95% of machines. They do not waste time with the 5%.

http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#what_is


--Crash Override

[Evel Knievel]

Originally Posted by el_d00der1n0

http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#what_is


--Crash Override

Good site. This backs up my stance.

"Under Mac OS X it's possible, but only part of the system is open source — you're likely to hit a lot of walls, and you have to be careful not to develop the bad habit of depending on Apple's proprietary code. If you concentrate on the Unix under the hood you can learn some useful things.
Unix is the operating system of the Internet. While you can learn to use the Internet without knowing Unix, you can't be an Internet hacker without understanding Unix. For this reason, the hacker culture today is pretty strongly Unix-centered. (This wasn't always true, and some old-time hackers still aren't happy about it, but the symbiosis between Unix and the Internet has become strong enough that even Microsoft's muscle doesn't seem able to seriously dent it.)"

[Abui]

Originally Posted by el_d00der1n0

http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#what_is


--Crash Override

Ah ha the answer is ...

Q:
I'm having problems with my Windows software. Will you help me?
A:
Yes. Go to a DOS prompt and type "format c:". Any problems you are experiencing will cease within a few minutes.

[bighit8]

I was having alot of problems with my computer. I removed Norton and went to adware se and have not had problems since.

[Abui]

Originally Posted by katonk

The reason you can not legally run Mac OS X on a generic PC is simple. So Apple can sell more computers. Period. And it works.

I have a theory that Apple and MS have agreed to divide the market. As long as Apple doesn't threaten MS's software dominance Apple will be allowed its market share.

[Shu]

Originally Posted by Caveman

Ah ha the answer is ...

Q:
I'm having problems with my Windows software. Will you help me?
A:
Yes. Go to a DOS prompt and type "format c:". Any problems you are experiencing will cease within a few minutes.

I'm not a smart man when it comes to computers(said in my best Forest Gump voice) but this made me

[Schecky]

New Apple remote:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-ente...ink-330564.php




OK, not that Apple...