thanks. i wasn't clear if these trails had been closed as in destroyed and no longer able to ride them. it sounds like they are still there and we just have to find them. so have you been up to big bear this season?

This is the only map I know of: http://www.bigbearmountainresorts.co...e-map-2005.jpg

Fall Line is on it but Pirates is not. I know alot of the trailheads are not marked, unfortunately. We always start off my going left at the top and then left again at the split in the fireroad. We then take the 1st trail to the right and then there will be two splits and you can go either way. I say, go explore!!! Oh, and have fun.