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Default Cyclist versus Metro bus: guess who is blamed

Story of some guy's dealing with a bus...

http://laist.com/2007/09/24/hollywood_bus_d.php

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A cyclist westbound on Hollywood Boulevard hears a loud horn behind him as he rides in the right side of the #2 lane, alongside a row of parked cars and dangerously close to the door zone.

The motorist with the heavy horn hand turns out to be Metro Bus Driver #XXXXX and she passes the cyclist so closely that his left hand touches the side of the bus as it speeds past him. The number #1 lane is empty and nothing serves to prevent the bus driver from changing lanes to pass the cyclist except for a failure on her part to acknowledge the cyclist’s right to ride the streets of Los Angeles without having his life threatened.

The bus proceeds down Hollywood Boulevard to a bus stop at Wilton and stops. The cyclist pulls up on the driver’s side of the bus and addresses the bus driver informing her that honking at a cyclist with no room to spare will only serve to startle the cyclist and cause a dangerous situation and that as a professional driver she should know that if the lane is too narrow to share, she should change lanes in order to pass without endangering the safety of the cyclist.

The driver screams “You were in my way. You need to get off the road!” She slams the window shut.

The cyclist, who would have accepted a “Sorry, my bad!” and called it a day, pulled in front of the bus and informed the driver that he was calling the police to report the driver for Assault with a Deadly Weapon, the bus. She screams, points at her watch, tells the cyclist to move and puts the bus in gear.

How Lane Numbers Work
Lane numbers work by counting from the middle to the side of a street. In a four-lane street such as the portion of Hollywood Blvd. above, lane #2 is the one against the sidewalk. Lane #1 is always the furthest left lane in the direction you are going.

The cyclist stands his ground, all the while hearing “…all operators are busy, please continue to hold…” on the phone. The cyclist calls his wife and tells her to send the police to Hollywood & Wilton. He continues to call the local police station.

The bus driver pushes the cyclist with her bus. A witness on the south side of Hollywood screams at the bus driver. “I’m watching you! Stop it!”

The cyclist stands his ground, now with a passenger who steps out and screams at the cyclist to get out the way and then lets loose with a stream of expletives. The passenger gets back on the bus.

The bus driver backs up, turns the bus into the boulevard and comes back at the cyclist who is now standing behind his bike. She comes a bit faster and pushes the bus against the cyclist until the bike is now wedged under the right front bumper of the bus. She throws up her hands and wails at the bus drivers who drive past in the #1 lane. They yell at her to sit tight and just call the supervisor. All the while the witness on the street keeps yelling at the bus driver “He’s right! You’re wrong!”

Inside the bus, the angry passenger is stirring up the other three or four passengers for their “Let’s roll!” moment. He jumps off the bus with an elderly man backing him up, pulls the bike from under the bus, flings it up onto the sidewalk and then assumes a Karate Kid pose that causes all time to stop and all motion to be suspended as the absurdity of the moment is absorbed by the cyclist. The old man has already disappeared and the passenger jumps back onto the bus.

With the bus blocking the #2 lane of Hollywood Boulevard, traffic is now backed up for several blocks. The bus driver takes the time to explain to each motorist as they pull alongside her that the traffic congestion is due to the cyclist. “Can you believe this?” she asks.

The bus driver talks to somebody on her bus phone, gets out witness cards and proceeds to have the passengers fill them out. She collects the cards.

The Karate Kid jumps off the bus, spits on the cyclist, yells at the witness across the street and proceeds down Hollywood Boulevard.

Eventually an LAPD patrol car pulls up and two cops jump out. The cyclist naively expects to hear “What’s going on here?” but is instead greeted by “Hands behind your back!” The cyclist’s wife who is just arriving on the scene yells at the cops, “Hey, he’s the one who called you!” which apparently sounded like “Hey, put me in handcuffs too!” because Officer Hayhurst promptly placed her in handcuffs and placed her face against the wall.

Officer Swan held the cyclist, face against the wall, while he struggled with the definition of impeding traffic. The cyclist countered that he wanted to file charges against the driver for assault with a deadly weapon and battery charges against the Karate Kid.

Officer Swan gave the cyclist the first of the many lectures that are apparently free on holidays to those wearing handcuffs, this one entitled “The Metro provides a public service and you are not to interfere with it.” The cyclist responds that riding a bike in the street could hardly be construed as “interfering” with the Metro and that cyclists are guaranteed by law their place on the street and that it is his duty to protect and serve everybody, not just those in poor command of tons of steel.

The waste of time exchange continued as Sgt. Jerrett arrived on the scene and consulted with Swan and Hayhurst, Metro Deputy Sheriff Parrott, Metro Supervisor Mike Dunn and the Metro driver. Sgt. Jerrett lumbers over to the cyclist and proceeds to ask questions such as “Do you think it’s appropriate to stand in the street?” and “Do you think that yelling through the windshield is the best way to communicate with the driver?”

The cyclist responds that he was attempting to detain the driver while he waited for the LAPD to answer the phone so that he could have her arrested for threatening his life with her irresponsible and dangerous driving and, as it turns out, her stated contempt for his right to ride in the street. The cyclist again asks the police to arrest the driver for assault with a deadly weapon, pointing out that if a motorist were to move a vehicle toward a police officer in the same manner, they would not be so conflicted as to action, that they would respond quickly and effectively and there would be little debate as to any definition of assault with a deadly weapon. Jerrett listens, stares and walks away.

After much discussion, Sgt. Jarrett decides that Sheriff’s Deputy Parrott will be taking over the “incident” and that the LAPD will be moving on. Deputy Parrott gets in the cyclist’s face to state clearly that there would be no Private Persons Arrest, there would be no arrest period. There will be an investigation and there will be a citation for an infraction and it might be the cyclist!

He then allowed the Metro driver to leave the scene with the bus.

As the cyclist stood giving his report to Deputy Parrott and Metro Supervisor Dunn, the cyclist pointed out that the witness cards had just left with the Metro drive.

Deputy Parrott and Supervisor Dunn looked at each other with a synchronized “WTF” look on their humbled faces and for a moment the only sound that could be heard was the thundering roar of systemic incompetence resounding down the boulevard.

Metro Bus Assault gets Cyclist in HandcuffsTwo and a half hours after the beginning of this incident, Supervisor Mike Dunn stands on the sidewalk explaining in his most earnest manner, “But you have to understand, that’s how they are trained to drive. They are told to honk at road hazards!”

This is fuel on the fire for the cyclist who argues “Cyclists aren’t road hazards!” The cyclist’s wife calmly records Supervisor Dunn’s explanation and the cyclist wearily takes his claim form for the bent wheel and walks home.

The next day the cyclist calls the Metro and reports the incident. Within hours he receives an email from an official at the Metro contradicting Supervisor Mike Dunn and with Bus Drive Instructions in the subject line. “Bus operators are not told to honk at cyclists. As a matter of fact, the policy states that cyclists have the same rights on the road as motorists and that operators are to follow at a safe distance or pass with 3-4 l/2 feet of right side clearance.”

Unfortunately, the Metro official neglected to copy Supervisor Mike Dunn or Driver #XXXXX on that email which means that she’s still out there, sideswiping and screaming “You need to get off the road!”

As for this cyclist (yes, that's me in those pictures!), “See you on the streets!”
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Last edited by Rascal : 09-25-2007 at 07:50 PM. Reason: Had to clear up that I'm just a poster, not the victim
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wow good read...yet another reason why i will never ride the streets.
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That's just crazy.

It reminds me of a time about 18 years ago in Long Beach. I was riding my cruiser home and was on the main street. I had just passed the bus stop and there was a 4' trench on the shoulder at the curb just past the stop. I looked back over my shoulder to see where the bus was and he was still parked at the stop so I ventured out into the edge of the lane and then I hear him honking at me, right on my butt. I waved him around because there was no where for me to go but into the trench and he honked some more and then raced past me so close he barely missed my handlebars. I was so scared I was shaking and on the verge of tears. When I got home I called the bus line and filed a complaint and basically was told that I shouldn't have been there. Since then I still very rarely ride my bike on the road.

Be extra careful out there, it's a mad mad world
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[SIZE=2]Ahh, yes, another nice thing about having a Sergeant with the CHP as a cycling buddy when riding the road.
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Yup. All too familiar. Funny thing I have also had a supervisor offer me a ride back to my car once as I was stopped beside the road with a flat. Never know who is behind the wheel.
 
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Dang. What a mess.
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whatever happened to common sense and courtesy?

sorry to hear about the prob...hope you can enjoy some dirt soon to undo the stress thrust upon you!
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That's when you consult an attorney, file a private suite and formal complaints with each institute; not just for the financial punishment against Metro and the PD/Sheriff, but so others know that they can NOT continue with these actions. This type of behavior is reprehensible!

OCTD hasn't honked at me, but they often seem to pass as close as possible, even when I'm in the bike lane.
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wow. that story blows my mind. i hope that guy gives the bus line hell! i ride on the streets occasionally, but only when I have to. there are too many motorists that are just completely ignorant of the laws regarding bicycles. on the flip side, I always follow the letter of the law when riding on the street...no need to give people more reasons to dislike cyclists.
 
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I am in no way defending the ignorance of that bus driver (I hate buses) but at UPS, as drivers we are trained to use our horns and lights as a means of communicating in traffic. Not an obnoxious honk, more like a friendly beep beep followed by a friendly wave of the hand, only to let you know that I am here, I see you and I want you to know I see you and I intend to pass you at a safe distance if possible. Kind of the same as using a little ding of the bell on the trails with hikers followed by a verbal greeting. UPS has very strict guidelines for safe driving. We have something called the Five Seeing Habits and a Ten Point commentary checklist, that has to be memorized verbatim. Obviously the bus drivers do not have something as good as this. Sorry you had to deal with that. Kudos to you for standing up for yourself.
 
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Great detailed report of a bad incident-couldn't stop reading it. Sorry you and your wife were dealt with unfairly...
 
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The cyclist should have taken the whole lane if he was in the door zone. Would have forced the bus to pass in the other lane.

The bus driver is definitely in the wrong for not giving 3 feet.
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The cyclist should have taken the whole lane if he was in the door zone. Would have forced the bus to pass in the other lane.

The bus driver is definitely in the wrong for not giving 3 feet.
Totally agree.
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I've had a few bad dealings with buses. It seems some go out of their way to make our riding experience less then enjoyable.

Once my ex-boss and I were out doing a ride and a bus buzzed us, literally hitting both of our handlebars. He got ahead of us, but got caught at the light. My friend (ex-boss) whose not a small guy, jumped at the chance and hauled arse up to the bus to find why the hell he did that. My friend asked him "WTH, was that all about?". The driver continued to look straight ahead and wouldn't turn to look at him, but clearly heard him as everyone on the bus was snickering. Anyways we got his name and called the police for a "hit & run", the cops refused to take a report as neither of us were injured nor could we show any damage to our bikes. My friend persued it a little further till the bus company finally asked him what he wanted. He first asked that the driver be fired. They said that wasn't going to happen and would he accept an apology instead. He said he would and the bus driver showed up at his house about a week later and apologized. He said the guy truly acted sorry. I hope he was.
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that guy's my hero. Too bad he didn't bust some ninja move on the cops to knock some sense into them.
I now want a road bike just to yell at idiots and sit in front of their car.
 
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Is it just me, or does anyone else think it's a bad idea to get in front of a bus, with a bus driver that doesn't know how to drive properly? I'd say there was a breakdown with all parties involved. Bus driver should know (or be taught better), cyclist should pull off to call cops/report incident, passengers should not jump off the bus and become vigilantes.

I believe in cyclists rights to share the road, but that was a poor reaction to a bad situation which escalated the matter. The cyclist is lucky the bike (and he) weren't under the bus completely.
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Default Yes a good read!

I wonder if I'll live long enough to see all the gas run out. Then I can see that fat SOB bus driver out on the road trying to pedal around!
My buddy 'Mike The Bike' was hit by a drunk driver at 6am last month in Pasadena. No helmet... bad head wound, 32 stitches in his cranium! Cars & bikes are a sketchy combination for sure.
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