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Dino Brown

Mammoth is only a few days away!

Friends... fun... scenery..... perfect weather.... DOH!

According to The National Weather Service we are in for some cold weather! http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USCA0661.html

Thursday- 44high/24low Periods of Rain and Snow
Friday---- 47high/28low A few Thunderstorms Possible
Saturday- 46high/27low Occasional Showers Possible
Sunday-- 56high/30low Sunny

Any clothing/ layering ideas?

Shorts? Long pants? Sweatpants? Sweatshirt over armor? Under armor? Cottons.... synthetics? Hydration ideas? Stop for hot chocolate at the top?

With that many people, I don't want anyone to suffer needlessly!

Thanks

Kid A

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Originally Posted by Dino Brown

Any clothing/ layering ideas?

Assume others have many thoughts as many ride atop SA's in the winter with snow. I used to ride throughout the winter back east as well and mostly just kept core wamt with breathable layers on and focused on head, hands and toes as numb hands and toes will certainly f'up your day. downhill can be a b!tch with cold air flow'en on your melon. Just get a head warmer under helmet and your set, bring second set of winter gloves as first will keep you warm but will get way sweaty and def get some wool socks. good luck

denmother

I wear a windbreaker over my body armor and Moto-x socks (long ones like ski socks). This usually does it. Once you start riding, you will warm up and you don't want to overdress. A sweatshirt would be way too warm. You can wear long pants if you have them but I find the socks under my shin guards are usually enough.

It's not like xc or road riding in the cold, you wear alot less clothing because you heat up really, really fast (it's all that adrenaline).

Oh, and on my hands, I usually wear 2 pairs of regular gloves (I don't have any cold weather ones cause it never gets cold enough in the 951).

Flat Broke

One of the important things to remember if you're trying to stay warm while being active in a cold environment is to NOT have cotton as your first layer. Outside of that, keep the head warm and use layers that are easily shed/replaced and packable. Since it looks like a lot of you guys/gals run pressure suits, you already have one layer down, the windbreaker with a thin intermediate layer should be fine. Then if you get a little too warm, ditch the intermediate layer. To be honest, with the forecasted temps posted, it's not like it's going to be that cold. The windbreaker will definitely be key up top as the evaporation rate of 3*/1000' won't drop the temp much between, 8900 and 11,053 or whatever it is; but the difference in wind chill might be pronounced.

Have fun and take pics for those of us who couldn't make it.

Chris

mechmann

I have two pairs of full length moto type pants that i will be wearing. they provide a great deal of leg protection AND will keep you warm.

on top, i will be wearing my armor with a long or short sleeve moto style jersey. if it is cold enough at the top or raining/snowing i will have a wind breaker in my camelbak. a good windbreaker is all you need to stay warm as long as you aren't sitting still for a LONG time.

i will bring my PI cyclone winter gloves, but i doubt that i will wear them. since we aren't doing any climbing, my gloves won't be wet (unless it is raining) and my hands won't be too cold. bring extra gloves in case it does rain so that you won't have wet gloves.

FF helmet does a good job of keeping the old noggin warm.

what would be way cool would be to be riding in the snow up there!!!!!!!!

Dino Brown

Thanks for the ideas. Warm socks are an ABSOLUTE must. They don't have to be triple thick- enough to keep you warm though. Great idea on going knee-high!!!

Still confused as to the gloves... MTB riding gloves.... hiking gloves... spring conditions ski gloves? Double gloves? Cold hands WILL be an issue for many riders!

The ultimate windblocker? I have had great success by cutting the sleeves off a sweatshirt and wearing it under my thin jersey! By cutting the sleeves off, heat has a chance to escape AND my chest does not feel like a block of ice has been resting on it!!! Works for me!

Keep the ideas coming...

stinkyrider

Cotton = death

mechmann

true...

the cutoff sweatshirt thing sounds like a horrible idea.

a good chest protector on your armor will keep the wind from hitting your chest.

if you have a sweatshirt on and it starts raining, it will get soaked and wick heat away from your core so fast you won't know what hit you!

dstepper

The best stuff you can buy, go over to REI and buy Smart Wool clothing. Well worth the price, will keep you warm even if you get wet.

Kid A

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Originally Posted by Dino Brown

Keep the ideas coming...

just rememberd another. not my idea, but J-dirt works in the med field and carries some laytex hospital gloves in his backpack to pull under is mtb gloves to block the wind on whack fast cold decents in the winter. (think maples springs)

I tried it once, candidly was a b!tch getting them (others didn't seem to have same issue-call me a moron). helped a bit as seemed to help block wind rippin though mtb gloves but DID NOT BREATH. My hands were a wet mess. i guess okay for a bit of time but for me would not use them as all day ride. Again others (including Johnny) seem to have had more success so posting up

Edog

I'm from the UK so no stranger to cold or wet rides. I use to motorcycle year round. One of the best things I have is a fleece neck tube. You can also wear it on your head. Fills the gap nicely between your helmet & jacket & stops your neck going numb! Good socks are key to warm feet & a thin thermal sock with your regular will make a difference. You could try the heat pads too. I also used to Kayak in the winter at home & I would wear washing up gloves. Much tougher than the latex ones & they come in awesome Pink & Yellow colors!!
I have an older Ski Jacket Shell I'm bring this weekend & some crappy Ski Pants I picked up at Burlington for $20 just incase. Definatly need something to keep the wind out!

2wheel_lee

For cold weather riding, I will probably wear Patagonia Capalene 1, 2, or 3 long sleeve base layer with my TLD suit over that, which is then covered by a long sleeve jersey. I can change the Capalene depending on how cold it is (the higher the number, the thicker it is). Patagonia stuff is available at REI, but if you really want the deal on this stuff, there is a Patagonia outlet up in Ventura.

For the lower half, I may simply use knee-high moto socks with my knee pads and TLD shorts. I may opt to wear a Capalene base layer underneath that. I may consider a lightweight set of moto pants with a light Capalene under them, but I doubt I'll need that. Heavier moto pants are difficult to ride DH bikes with (because of the low seat). I save that setup for sub 30* moto riding.

For gloves, although I will likely use standard mtb/moto gloves, I do have a set of cold-weather Acerbis Klimate gloves. I've used these for snow rides, and they're awesome. I won't go with these unless it gets really cold.

Your neck can get cold, so some kind of neck collar can help. A collar is better than a turtle-neck, since you can easily remove it.

DH is relatively slow, so I don't know if I'll need to go to the next step I use for trail riding. I may tape off the front opening on the full-face helmet to reduce the air coming in. Also, your cheeks and lower cheek bones can get cold. Simply applying medical tape in this area of your cheeks can greatly help. Apply Rain-X to your goggles if it's likely to rain.

If it rains, you don't want clothes that will become heavy if soaked. And as mentioned, you don't want cotton as a base layer. A light wind breaker will be nice for the chairlift, but you may want to remove it for the downhill.

Speaking of, the chairlifts can be the worst. You sit and freeze in the sweat you built up on the downhills, so be prepared to have layers you can remove while riding and wear on the chair. Being prepared can make all the difference in the world on how you enjoy your ride.

mechmann

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Originally Posted by 2wheel_lee

Speaking of, the chairlifts can be the worst. You sit and freeze in the sweat you built up on the downhills, so be prepared to have layers you can remove while riding and wear on the chair. Being prepared can make all the difference in the world on how you enjoy your ride.

The Gondola will not be that cold. I don't think we will be riding on a chair while there.

Schecky

Polypropelene glove liners are thin and work well.
Like Shrek - Layers!
Aside from Fo, some may find this fay, but I would suggest this tip from skiing:

Depending on the individual, you may need to cut a frontal vent for some extra room.

roadkillross

i just rode like i owuld normally, you sweat enuf in jersey and shorts, dont need any other sh*t there to make it worse

denmother

The only place you will feel the cold is riding from the top to about mid mountain (because of the wind chill factor) and also in the parking lot when you are getting ready. Last year on closing weekend my hands were numb just getting ready in the parking lot (not a good idea to change outside). It was because it was windy.

I just use 2 pairs of bike gloves. Whatever you use, you want to make sure that they are not too bulky!!! I might try my thin wool ski glove liners. And, yes your hands will get sweaty!!! That's why I always bring extras

2wheel_lee

Deleted...answered in other thread.

.8down

sweet its snowboarding time!!!! I think the general thought on keeping warm in any sport is to layer, I know when I'm in the snow, I have a tight wickering layer, then my middle layer (fleece usually) then a shell...and keeping your head warm is a key point as well. Just keep that cotton away from your skin, as you sweat it will just get colder and colder.

denmother

Yes, this late in the season the other chairlift is no longer running. One gondola from the main lodge. It lets you off either halfway (McCoy Station) or at the top.

stinkyrider

The Gondola goes from main lodge to the top with a mid-mountain unloading point if you choose. Stump Alley chair (Formerly chair 2) runs on weekends until it closes after labor day weekend. Too bad it won't be running this weekend.
If you take any of the super cool trails like flow or shotgun, those end up down by Canyon lodge (Formerly warming hut II), you can ride canyon road down the hill to the village. There's a shuttle bus pick-up that takes you back to the main lodge gondola.

Damn everyone beat me to it.


Dino Brown Sir Smack-Alot	Mammoth- Cold Weather Tips??? Mammoth is only a few days away! Friends... fun... scenery..... perfect weather.... DOH! According to The National Weather Service we are in for some cold weather! http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USCA0661.html Thursday- 44high/24low Periods of Rain and Snow Friday---- 47high/28low A few Thunderstorms Possible Saturday- 46high/27low Occasional Showers Possible Sunday-- 56high/30low Sunny Any clothing/ layering ideas? Shorts? Long pants? Sweatpants? Sweatshirt over armor? Under armor? Cottons.... synthetics? Hydration ideas? Stop for hot chocolate at the top? With that many people, I don't want anyone to suffer needlessly! Thanks __________________ L.A. KINGS ... dw-link.com/reasons SheDevil- I was on George's crotch for hours Integradriv3r- How many kids do you have that you DON'T know about? Genusmtbkr5- I like to go BOTH ways


denmother Queen of the Darkside	Clothing suggestions I wear a windbreaker over my body armor and Moto-x socks (long ones like ski socks). This usually does it. Once you start riding, you will warm up and you don't want to overdress. A sweatshirt would be way too warm. You can wear long pants if you have them but I find the socks under my shin guards are usually enough. It's not like xc or road riding in the cold, you wear alot less clothing because you heat up really, really fast (it's all that adrenaline). Oh, and on my hands, I usually wear 2 pairs of regular gloves (I don't have any cold weather ones cause it never gets cold enough in the 951). __________________ My Blog/My Sponsorhouse profile ~Weekends are like recess for adults so play hard until the bell rings Gene Hamilton: Happy, friendly people that may not be the best athletes are more fun than arrogant "experts".


Flat Broke Bikes don't kill bunnies	One of the important things to remember if you're trying to stay warm while being active in a cold environment is to NOT have cotton as your first layer. Outside of that, keep the head warm and use layers that are easily shed/replaced and packable. Since it looks like a lot of you guys/gals run pressure suits, you already have one layer down, the windbreaker with a thin intermediate layer should be fine. Then if you get a little too warm, ditch the intermediate layer. To be honest, with the forecasted temps posted, it's not like it's going to be that cold. The windbreaker will definitely be key up top as the evaporation rate of 3*/1000' won't drop the temp much between, 8900 and 11,053 or whatever it is; but the difference in wind chill might be pronounced. Have fun and take pics for those of us who couldn't make it. Chris


mechmann Segregated non-bubb.	I have two pairs of full length moto type pants that i will be wearing. they provide a great deal of leg protection AND will keep you warm. on top, i will be wearing my armor with a long or short sleeve moto style jersey. if it is cold enough at the top or raining/snowing i will have a wind breaker in my camelbak. a good windbreaker is all you need to stay warm as long as you aren't sitting still for a LONG time. i will bring my PI cyclone winter gloves, but i doubt that i will wear them. since we aren't doing any climbing, my gloves won't be wet (unless it is raining) and my hands won't be too cold. bring extra gloves in case it does rain so that you won't have wet gloves. FF helmet does a good job of keeping the old noggin warm. what would be way cool would be to be riding in the snow up there!!!!!!!!


dstepper Over the Hill	The best stuff you can buy, go over to REI and buy Smart Wool clothing. Well worth the price, will keep you warm even if you get wet. __________________ If I'm not lost or getting bushwacked, the trail was too easy. Prescott Valley Houses The Path


Edog Large Member	My 2 cents I'm from the UK so no stranger to cold or wet rides. I use to motorcycle year round. One of the best things I have is a fleece neck tube. You can also wear it on your head. Fills the gap nicely between your helmet & jacket & stops your neck going numb! Good socks are key to warm feet & a thin thermal sock with your regular will make a difference. You could try the heat pads too. I also used to Kayak in the winter at home & I would wear washing up gloves. Much tougher than the latex ones & they come in awesome Pink & Yellow colors!! I have an older Ski Jacket Shell I'm bring this weekend & some crappy Ski Pants I picked up at Burlington for $20 just incase. Definatly need something to keep the wind out! __________________ Ya that's right!


2wheel_lee Old-school BMXer	For cold weather riding, I will probably wear Patagonia Capalene 1, 2, or 3 long sleeve base layer with my TLD suit over that, which is then covered by a long sleeve jersey. I can change the Capalene depending on how cold it is (the higher the number, the thicker it is). Patagonia stuff is available at REI, but if you really want the deal on this stuff, there is a Patagonia outlet up in Ventura. For the lower half, I may simply use knee-high moto socks with my knee pads and TLD shorts. I may opt to wear a Capalene base layer underneath that. I may consider a lightweight set of moto pants with a light Capalene under them, but I doubt I'll need that. Heavier moto pants are difficult to ride DH bikes with (because of the low seat). I save that setup for sub 30* moto riding. For gloves, although I will likely use standard mtb/moto gloves, I do have a set of cold-weather Acerbis Klimate gloves. I've used these for snow rides, and they're awesome. I won't go with these unless it gets really cold. Your neck can get cold, so some kind of neck collar can help. A collar is better than a turtle-neck, since you can easily remove it. DH is relatively slow, so I don't know if I'll need to go to the next step I use for trail riding. I may tape off the front opening on the full-face helmet to reduce the air coming in. Also, your cheeks and lower cheek bones can get cold. Simply applying medical tape in this area of your cheeks can greatly help. Apply Rain-X to your goggles if it's likely to rain. If it rains, you don't want clothes that will become heavy if soaked. And as mentioned, you don't want cotton as a base layer. A light wind breaker will be nice for the chairlift, but you may want to remove it for the downhill. Speaking of, the chairlifts can be the worst. You sit and freeze in the sweat you built up on the downhills, so be prepared to have layers you can remove while riding and wear on the chair. Being prepared can make all the difference in the world on how you enjoy your ride. __________________ Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... that's what gets you. May the air be filled with tires!


Schecky SoCalMTBubbs	Polypropelene glove liners are thin and work well. Like Shrek - Layers! Aside from Fo, some may find this fay, but I would suggest this tip from skiing: Depending on the individual, you may need to cut a frontal vent for some extra room. __________________ tkblazer: it was Steven Jackson that led me to STR... http://www.ventanausa.com/


roadkillross Throw some Dee's on it	i just rode like i owuld normally, you sweat enuf in jersey and shorts, dont need any other sht there to make it worse __________________ Offroadie*-"I ride a fixed gear, but I'm no hipster." dirttorpedo- "i like the runs..........:


2wheel_lee Old-school BMXer	Deleted...answered in other thread. __________________ Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... that's what gets you. May the air be filled with tires!


stinkyrider Prince Charmless	Cotton = death

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