Who's the dumbass?

[tkblazer]

so where is telonics at

[Keith B]

I recently bumped into a guy who told me not only had he been riding to Old Camp regularly but was also loving riding up the Luge on his KTM. He 'said' he was jsut 'put-put-ing up' and so not causing any damage - my worry is about someone else coming down at the same time.

[DirtymikeTDB]

Originally Posted by simonmtb

Whether you agree with the closure or not is not the point.
The point is that it gives anti mountain biking people more ammunition against all of us and gives other people the impression of mountain bikers having a "we don't give a s#%t about closures" arrogance.
Not good if we want a good relationship with the people who have a big say on trail access.

Trail closures suck. Seem to cause lots of controversy all round

Yeah trail closures suck, but thats not what this thread is really about now is it. Its about singling someone out who was riding on a trail that is at the current time closed. Its right in teh title....."Who's the Dumbass"

And as others and Myself pointed out, we dont know everything behind the picture, Its could have been taken before the trail was officially closed, it could be that the rider is an FS volunteer. Is it ammunition for the "Anti Mtn biek" people..... Of coarse it is, so lets stop reposting the same damn picture. Do we here sitting on STR know the whole story behind the picture?????? I doubt it.

Again the thread wasnt about trail closures, it was about singling someone out for doing what someone else perceives as wrong without knowing everything behind it.

Find out all the facts, IE Was the trail already closed when the picture was taken ETC.
then hound someone.

[simonmtb]

Originally Posted by kevinator

Exactly, get involved if you aren't satisfied with the situation. Gene posted the FS link and there's no shortage of other good MTB-related causes close to wherever you live. Just got an automated response from Arnold about AB-2923 that he vetoed. How did that happen? Someone posted this issue here and the community got behind it. All of us...how about that.

Did he veto it?

[DISCO]

Although I know better than to organize another work event I will say that perhaps that ship has sailed.

There are lots of other opportunities to contribute, such as this weekend at CHSP. Everyone on here had the chance to go to the forestry meeting in December, I chose not to because of the attitude from an otherwise apathetic public. Share and the county welcome volunteers of any experience level to come out and lend a hand. Other organizations may reserve the right to be more selective in recruiting slave labor, not only to ensure proper training but to minimize exposure to liability and safety issues. The common opinion is that most of the participants were doing it all along and still are with or without the "golden ticket" some believe exists. Poaching is a piece of cake compared to doing things by the book.....

[simonmtb]

Originally Posted by DirtymikeTDB

Yeah trail closures suck, but thats not what this thread is really about now is it. Its about singling someone out who was riding on a trail that is at the current time closed. Its right in teh title....."Who's the Dumbass"

And as others and Myself pointed out, we dont know everything behind the picture, Its could have been taken before the trail was officially closed, it could be that the rider is an FS volunteer. Is it ammunition for the "Anti Mtn biek" people..... Of coarse it is, so lets stop reposting the same damn picture. Do we here sitting on STR know the whole story behind the picture?????? I doubt it.

Again the thread wasnt about trail closures, it was about singling someone out for doing what someone else perceives as wrong without knowing everything behind it.

Find out all the facts, IE Was the trail already closed when the picture was taken ETC.
then hound someone.

Ohh no, now I feel hounded

[DirtymikeTDB]

Originally Posted by simonmtb

Ohh no, now I feel hounded

LOL was it you in the pic???

[simonmtb]

Originally Posted by DirtymikeTDB

LOL was it you in the pic???

No, but just couldn't resist

[DirtymikeTDB]

Smartass!!!! I Aprove!!!!!

[jasonmason]

Originally Posted by DirtymikeTDB

Again the thread wasnt about trail closures, it was about singling someone out for doing what someone else perceives as wrong without knowing everything behind it.

Find out all the facts, IE Was the trail already closed when the picture was taken ETC.
then hound someone.

I see what you're saying, and in the case of the vast majority of 'questionable' pictures that show up on here, I agree with you.

The difference in this one example is that this is not a trail that falls into a gray area, or is open to interpretation, or was ever anything but closed from the time the fires were out. Looking at the picture in retrospect, it's obvious that it's from a time much more recent to the fires, and most likely isn't recent. But it still is obviously the Luge, obviously freshly burned, and has unquestionably been closed since the fires were out. There was no volunteer trail-work at the time that the area still showed that great of effects from the burn, so it's not one a member of a trail crew. I don't think there's that many dots to connect here.

Whomever this is clearly felt that it was acceptable to ride a closed trail in a freshly burned area, and then to post a picture of themselves doing so. That's what I take offense with.

Did I maybe go a little far blanketing whomever this is with a blanket 'asshole' moniker? Yeah, maybe. I just think that of all the grey things we discuss here, this one isn't all that grey.

[Bert]

Originally Posted by tkblazer

so where is telonics at

Right next to Backdoor

bert

[DirtymikeTDB]

So what about back in 05ish when Cal State area burned super bad, and I went riding out there with My FS card with me? So I wasnt out there with a trail crew, but I was at the time a Volunteer, So its not so cut and dry, trail crew days are different from just out and inspecting. When we are out riding trails, we get stopped, we show our card, tell them we are doing an inspection.....Point is, if he is a volunteer, he wasnt breaking the law. Is he taking advantage of being a volunteer.....YES, as many others here would also do, and have

[jasonmason]

Originally Posted by DirtymikeTDB

So what about back in 05ish when Cal State area burned super bad, and I went riding out there with My FS card with me? So I wasnt out there with a trail crew, but I was at the time a Volunteer, So its not so cut and dry, trail crew days are different from just out and inspecting. When we are out riding trails, we get stopped, we show our card, tell them we are doing an inspection.....Point is, if he is a volunteer, he wasnt breaking the law. Is he taking advantage of being a volunteer.....YES, as many others here would also do, and have

Well, to be honest, you've got me there.

If this was that sort of a situation, and the individual was out there with that sort of permission, then I take back what I said. I may not agree with their judgement, but it's not my place to call them out if they have the forest service's ok.

Is it the best judgement to post pictures of it? Probably not, since it can very easily be misconstrued. There are very few that have that kind of permission, and it's very easy (as i admittedly did) to jump to conclusions. The unfortunate fact is that there is a lot of chatter about people riding those closed trails lately, and given the relatively low amount of individuals with permission to be back there, the likelyhood is that it wasn't kosher. I hope otherwise.

[kevinator]

Originally Posted by DirtymikeTDB

Yeah trail closures suck, but thats not what this thread is really about now is it. Its about singling someone out who was riding on a trail that is at the current time closed. Its right in teh title....."Who's the Dumbass"

Mission accomplished

Originally Posted by DirtymikeTDB

]And as others and Myself pointed out, we dont know everything behind the picture, Its could have been taken before the trail was officially closed, it could be that the rider is an FS volunteer.

No volunteer number plate. And the trail was closed once the fire was out, remember?

Originally Posted by DirtymikeTDB

Is it ammunition for the "Anti Mtn biek" people..... Of coarse it is, so lets stop reposting the same damn picture. Do we here sitting on STR know the whole story behind the picture?????? I doubt it.

Agreed. The only person would be the rider. And was this pic posted before in one of the other threads about this? If so, my apologies.

Originally Posted by DirtymikeTDB

Again the thread wasnt about trail closures, it was about singling someone out for doing what someone else perceives as wrong without knowing everything behind it.

It has everything to do with trail closures. Considering this is where hundreds of people used to, and WANT TO, continue to ride. Piss off the Forest Service and the access goes away. Their primary goal is to maintain the forest with the least impact possible. I don't make the rules bud, I have to live with them just like you do.

Originally Posted by DirtymikeTDB

Find out all the facts, IE Was the trail already closed when the picture was taken ETC.
then hound someone.

I ain't the trail police or anyone's parents. Just one person calling out another for doing something that potentially affects those hundred others mentioned above.

I'm done....

[kevinator]

Originally Posted by DirtymikeTDB

So what about back in 05ish when Cal State area burned super bad, and I went riding out there with My FS card with me? So I wasnt out there with a trail crew, but I was at the time a Volunteer, So its not so cut and dry, trail crew days are different from just out and inspecting. When we are out riding trails, we get stopped, we show our card, tell them we are doing an inspection.....Point is, if he is a volunteer, he wasnt breaking the law. Is he taking advantage of being a volunteer.....YES, as many others here would also do, and have

Sounds like you didn't let someone know you'd be out there. I volunteer for a local organization and we can ride certain areas provided we get permission first and always carry ID. If we get popped for a stealth ride in those areas we lose our access. Not to mention, it's a personal black eye for our so-called image of being a steward for the land. What's that saying, 'lead by example..."?

[cjwally]

Thread closed...

[MV Rider]

Originally Posted by kevinator

Whether any of you like these rules or not, I couldn't care less. The fact is, this is managed land with certain conditions that apply for usage. And different conditions for when it's off-limits. Period. You can whine and bitch all day long (and have plenty of company on this board) about how rules don't apply, or never did, to you or the people you ride with. And some will laugh, or get angry and point fingers when you get that floppin' ticket. Whatever.
What does piss me off are the constant reminders, that while most of us respect the closure, there's still people acting as if it never happened - and I'm not even referring to the old pic I posted. That was the first time I had actually seen someone post a photo like this and was blown away considering how much of a hot topic this has been in the past 11 months.

Rant off.

The reality is that STT/Luge are being poached by more and more riders. I've heard the samething at every bike shop I have been to. While I don't like the closure, I will respect the law. That being said, if the Forest Service wanted to stop poaching all it needed to do was give out a few $5,000 fiines and/or cite riders for criminal violation. To my knowledge it did neither, thus condoning the poaching it had to know was and still is going on.

[Geronimo]

A picture of a rider on a closed trail is nothing in comparison to a hiker getting hit by a rider on an open trail. That's a topic worthy of discussion, and is actually constructive. Posting that pic and then asking who's the dumbass, well now that's just down right funny.