Hitch style bike haulers

[Jwag]

Originally Posted by DirtymikeTDB

Well this thread took a turn, ok lets go back a sec. The part people miss about the bike being illeagal, its when you have it installed WITHOUT THE BIKES that it becomes illeagal to drive with it.


As far as the legal limit..... you ever see someone thats at .066 try to drive??? still under the legal limit, but are they able to maintain to control there car? Answer is 98% chance no they cannot, there reaction time is slowed, and concentraition is down. You want it leagal for someone to drive around your home and/or loved ones like that? I dont. Just because one person can "Hold" there liquor doesnt mean they should be allowewd to try.

OK if thats the reason....because it will slightly reduce your ability to react..What do you do for someone who has been up for as little as 17 hours (Not all that uncommon for most of us I would bet). It has been shown that they are impacted at least equivalently and often worse than someone with blood alcohol of .05? Where do we draw the line. We are getting dangerously close in my mind to the "if it just saves but one single life, isnt it worth it?" argument.

[freekengo]

Originally Posted by Jwag

OK if thats the reason....because it will slightly reduce your ability to react..What do you do for someone who has been up for as little as 17 hours (Not all that uncommon for most of us I would bet). It has been shown that they are impacted at least equivalently and often worse than someone with blood alcohol of .05? Where do we draw the line. We are getting dangerously close in my mind to the "if it just saves but one single life, isnt it worth it?" argument.

I think that the whole point should be that you "should not" get behind the wheel if you are not at your 100% capability to drive. Be it alcohol, other intoxicants, lack of sleep, etc..... I would hope that people would use their better judgment before they get behind the wheel. But I suppose not with all of the DUI arrests made and the accidents to correspond to that. Heck Some people have a hard enough time trying to drive sober much less under the influence. "I can drink and drive because I have a higher tolerance than most people"........ "I can drink and drive because it's the same effect as being up for more than 17 hours today...." I'm not buying it. People need to use better judgement than that.

My most humble appologies to the OP for the thread derailment. This subject really hits home.

[DirtymikeTDB]

Originally Posted by Jwag

OK if thats the reason....because it will slightly reduce your ability to react..What do you do for someone who has been up for as little as 17 hours (Not all that uncommon for most of us I would bet). It has been shown that they are impacted at least equivalently and often worse than someone with blood alcohol of .05? Where do we draw the line. We are getting dangerously close in my mind to the "if it just saves but one single life, isnt it worth it?" argument.

I hear what your saying about somoene who hasnt had enough sleep, personally, neither should be driving at that point. My cousin was killed when he fell asleep at the wheel, so yeah I agree, if your too tired, DONT DRIVE. but the same thing goes for drinking, you should know better. Unfortunatly, there isnt a test to see how long someone has been awake. but there is a way to see what someones blood alcohol is. I feel the same way about ANY AND ALL substances that will impair your ability to drive.






EDIT, might be a good time to close this one up

[MTBMaven]

The license situation with the Sportworks Transport/Thule T2 seems pretty easy to fix I think. The rack has a 2" receiver so you can add additional capacity. There are several companies that make license plate holder that attach to a 2" receiver.

$29 Beats a ticket.

[Shu]

This won't solve all the problems b/c at night there isn't a light over the plate and they WILL use a non-lit up plate as a reason too...

Originally Posted by MTBMaven

The license situation with the Sportworks Transport/Thule T2 seems pretty easy to fix I think. The rack has a 2" receiver so you can add additional capacity. There are several companies that make license plate holder that attach to a 2" receiver.

$29 Beats a ticket.

This thread got kind of derailed from my orignal post but thats ok....I just wanted to remind everyone that they(cops) can figure out many reasons to pull you over...even something as simple as what happened to me....

[Revalimage]

You all need to lighten up a bit.... We ALL have driven 'under' something (e.g., beer, lack-of-sleep, a--hole boss not focused, no sleep due to sick kids, etc.) and will do so again sometime again before you stop driving. Cops have bad days too, they're human and just doing their job as directed by most likely an a--hole boss.

This thread was a warning you could be pulled over and be careful! If you drink and drive - you play roulette, your choice. Life is nothing but choices.

Drink - no drink -- but dang it, be merry...life is to short for anything less than pure joy

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[jeffj]

The hitch w/o bike just made it easier for the officer to give you the most palatable reason for pulling you over.

I was once pulled over in Moorpark and the reason given was that my license plate light was "out". I had been sitting in a left turn lane and the officer approached from the intersecting street from my right. He turned right and then swung a u-turn to get into the left turn directly behind me. It was early evening and not even dark yet.

As he was checking out my vehicle (an old beater '79 Trans Am) and running my license through the wringer, I asked if I could check out the light as I had just checked out all my running lights just a few days ago (the truth) and he said I could. The license plate light was working. I told him it was working (it was). He came around and looked at it and said, "Well, it's not bright enough."

He then tried to tell me how it wasn't like they were profiling me because of my vehicle (total BS as I was not even moving from the time he saw me from the side, turned right and then swung an [illegal for you and I] u-turn to get behind me and light me up as soon as my car started to move). He could not possibly have seen my license plate light before he swung the u-turn to get behind me, which made his "not profiling" claim ludicrous. I had said nothing about "profiling" , but it was obviously on his mind as he perused the contents of my vehicle.

If the Popo want to check you out for whatever reason, they can offer up all kinds of BS and let it get sorted out in court if they end up being able to cite you or otherwise hang some charges on you.

And I have also been pulled over in that same vehicle in Fillmore for a hitch ball obscuring the license plate.

Just watch a few episodes of "Cops" and listen to them say things like, "His running light is out so we'll light him up and check him out." Next thing you know, they've got the guy gripping the hood of his car and they're looking for drugs.

Bottom line is that if you get pulled over for something like that, they're using that as an excuse and looking to see if they can find something more significant once the investigation begins. Tinted windows serve the same purpose. It's just the way it works.

[carbonman]

[quote=doublewide;359690]Maybe you should! It's FUN and ALL the cool kids are doing it!

Yep, I've got some green punch left over from Jim Jones for you to drink........all the cool people are doing it.
The bottom line is that the cops can pull you over anytime they want and make up some lame excuse for it. Be careful.

[bikeadict]

Yay! Police State!

[nomadFF]

Like CARBONMAN said, if a cop is going to pull you over, he will find something. If you actually get a ticket from a cop for a bikerack not having a bike on it a) the cop is/has/getting a divorce and you drive the same car as his wife b) quota!!!! c) you cant think on your feet to get out of the ticket " yea officer, I never drive with this thing on here, but I just delivered some old bikes to the homeless shelter and am returning home to remove it immediately"

As far as driving under the influence, just dont. Unless you get a bloodtest or breathalyzer you dont know if you are legal or not. I have a commercial license and the legal limit is already .04. The truth is I have seen more accidents from texting than from driving drunk, at least the drunk is trying to pay attention to the road.

Last but not least, and most important, Danny K's has Stone on tap!!!

[Draheim18]

Originally Posted by nomadFF

Like CARBONMAN said, if a cop is going to pull you over, he will find something. If you actually get a ticket from a cop for a bikerack not having a bike on it a) the cop is/has/getting a divorce and you drive the same car as his wife b) quota!!!! c) you cant think on your feet to get out of the ticket " yea officer, I never drive with this thing on here, but I just delivered some old bikes to the homeless shelter and am returning home to remove it immediately"

That is very true right there. But usually the reason is so they can make quota out of all of those. Even though having quota systems is technically illegal.

My dad was driving to work on the 241 toll road and went under one of the fast trak pay things. Now he held the fast trak thing up to his windshield because it was summer and it gets so hot out in riverside that it melts the glue from the velcro strips on the windshield. A cop was sitting there and pulled him over and said I saw you go through the fast trak without the pass. My dad showed him the pass and said he can't keep it on the windshield because it keeps melting and falling off. The cop then proceeded to walk about his car multiple times to find anything he could ticket him for because he was mad that he got proven wrong. He ended up ticketing him for no front license plate.


As for the hitch thing. It is just another lame law that some cops decide to pull people over because they were having a bad day. Technically having no front license plate is illegal but how often do you see cops pulling over people for that.

[Kritter]

Originally Posted by freekengo

By the way, the guy that killed my fiance 18 years ago was tested at .05BAC at the time of the accident. A "responisble" business person with a family of four.

Thats an accident. Terrrible thing to happen and everybody has differnt limits but to the standard driver that the government dictated the legal limit from various tests and data, the guy was ok to drive, but like they say for every rule there is an exception to the rule.

If I was in the courtroom for that case I would want the guy to drink to a .05 and give him multiple tests for all to see and let the court decide. If I was the guy and I was getting charged with manslaughter and DUI I would go to a closed course test tracks with cameras at every angle imaginable and do the cop test course that they do sober but at a .05 and when I passed it that would be proof in itself but thats just me. Per all data gathered by government he would have been fine and charged only with being in a car accident. If at .05 he was a tuned up sloppy mess and coulndt pass any tests...then mansalughter, dui, MADD knocking on his door for the rest of his life etc...is absolutely the right outcome and he was NOT responsible.

Was the guy charged with DUI? Manslaughter? Was the accident his fault? Considering he was at .05 I would call that responsible. He made note of the little flier that comes with your registration that shows body weight, beers, time...therefore obeying the man.

I went to highschool with a few people who were killed due to drunk driving and I have no sympathy for it. It sucks and everybody thinks it cant happen to them and they are invicible but nobody is. If they were under the legal limit by law it would have been an accident but none of them were and its their own fault.

I think its busch league we can send kids to war at 18 and they cant drink a beer in the US. You can vote at 18 but you cant go have a beer after sitting in the polling lines for 2 hours legally. Talk about horseshit.

Sorry to go tangent. Hitch haulers rock and getting pulled over for it is a chickenshit things cops do to check you for drinking...similar to tinted windows.

[jeffj]

Originally Posted by Draheim18

Technically having no front license plate is illegal but how often do you see cops pulling over people for that.

Left someone else he had pulled over on the opposite side of Prarie Blvd, hooked up a crazy u-turn and came to get me because he saw no front license plate on the front of my hot-rodded Trans Am (different one than I got pulled over with in Fillmore and kraprooM). Got the ticket, a nice search of the car's interior and a healthy dose of bad attitude "to-go" that day

When you drive hotrods, you can expect some extra scrutiny.

OTOH, my wife's minivan has had window tinting on the front side windows since we bought it in 2001 and not so much as a sideways glance for that.

[nomadFF]

If I was the guy and I was getting charged with manslaughter and DUI I would go to a closed course test tracks with cameras at every angle imaginable and do the cop test course that they do sober but at a .05 and when I passed it that would be proof in itself but thats just me. Per all data gathered by government he would have been fine and charged only with being in a car accident. If at .05 he was a tuned up sloppy mess and coulndt pass any tests...then mansalughter, dui, MADD knocking on his door for the rest of his life etc...is absolutely the right outcome and he was NOT responsible.


I have no sympathy for it. It sucks and everybody thinks it cant happen to them and they are invicible but nobody is.

Talk about horseshit.

You say that on one hand you could drive at a .05 and "that is just you" on the other you say people are invincible. You already havevthe "it wont happen to me attitude" That is the attitude that gets people killed.

You are actually considered in an altered state at .04 (the legal limit if you have a commercial CADL) a class C which is the standard DL lets you go to a .08 taking into consideration height/weight ratios. An officer can still take you in at .08 if he feels you are unable to function at a safe level. There is already a cushion built into the .08 number. Just be safe, a taxi ride home from anywhere is cheaper than a DUI.

[kyoseki]

Speaking as a European driver (and not Armenian or anything :P), I can say wholeheartedly that a good number of LA drivers are completely ****ing useless and have no business being behind a wheel drunk or sober - I'm assuming of course that they can't all be shitfaced drunk at 8am and are, in fact, just crap at driving.

When the standard of driving amongst a large number of LA's sober inhabitants is already bad, to suggest that an otherwise good driver is suddenly a liability after a single beer is laughable.

Should you drive after a beer or two? Probably not, but then you shouldn't drive if you're a ****wit either and nobody seems to be enforcing THAT law.