Interesting Hammer Nutrition news.

[mp3]

Originally Posted by ocrider

ya endurolytes suck. Thermotabs r great though. I bet Pua used endurolytes since she was sponsered by Hammer and she passed.

She might not have been using hammer at that time--during the race. She pick them up as a sponsor right after the race....literally...they were the official race sponsor and the man himself was there promoting his products.

Yup I use Thermotabs too....what a coincidence.

[mp3]

Originally Posted by BrewMaster

I dunno Mario, I thought I saw you inject something into your leg right before your tore up Skully Ridge last weekend. If you hadn't been on a Niner, I would call you doper.

Nah it was totally, unequivocally, 100% the pure joy of riding a Niner.

BTW I use Thermotabs in case anyone is interested.
A bottle of 100 is only $6 at RiteAid. I've used them for everything between a 6 hour race to an 8-day stage race. Never had cramping problems since I started using them. If I feel a cramp coming on I take 2-3 and it's gone in 20 minutes.

The bottle looks like this:
http://www.immunesupport.com/thermotabs.htm

I have yet to compare them with pickle juice but that's in the works.

[allison]

Originally Posted by mp3

I have been tested...3 years ago at the 24 hour Nats. I passed:
http://www.warriorssociety.org/Racing/Report020.html

I don't use endurolytes anyway, they don't work for me.

Woo!

Anyone else out there been tested??

[deja vu]

Originally Posted by Wrecker

--not to mention, the levels that were found wouldn't do much for the body anyway. If these atheletes WERE intentionally doping, they really suck at it.

Sounds more plausible that the "vendors" had somehow tainted the pills--

I think the Hammer president had a good point though, thousands of athletes use Hammer products, wouldn't the statistics be higher if there was something in any of their products? something doesn't smell right, (and I showered today!)

Originally Posted by mp3

Nah it was totally, unequivocally, 100% the pure joy of riding a Niner.

BTW I use Thermotabs in case anyone is interested.
A bottle of 100 is only $6 at RiteAid. I've used them for everything between a 6 hour race to an 8-day stage race. Never had cramping problems since I started using them. If I feel a cramp coming on I take 2-3 and it's gone in 20 minutes.

The bottle looks like this:
http://www.immunesupport.com/thermotabs.htm

I have yet to compare them with pickle juice but that's in the works.

that's like 1/4 the price of endurolytes, time for some ingredient comparisons!!

[reflux]

Originally Posted by SnookDawg

I hope they win their lawsuit. If the FDA wasn't so f'ed up they'd step in and regulate the fiasco that the supplement industry has become, but as it stands now they'd rather stand by while consumers flush money down the toilet (best case) or get injured (worst case) - anyone remember Metabolife?

I read Steroid Nation several months back and it included a section on the FDA proposal to regulate the supplement industry. I can't recall the exact timeframe, but most likely circa 1990s. Anyway, there was a strong push to put the supplement industry under the watch of the FDA, contrary to popular belief. Lobbying by the supplement industry and pressure from Utah sentaor Orrin Hatch was successful in keeping the FDA at bay. How did they do it? Traditional tobacco rhetoric: we don't need to prove its healthy, we just need to prove that consumers deserve a choice.

One could say that the supplement industry made its bed, now it has to sleep in it.

[BrewMaster]

Originally Posted by reflux

One could say that the supplement industry made its bed, now it has to sleep in it.

Well, that bed is stuffed full of cash, so I don't think the supplement industry is complaining.

[SnookDawg]

Originally Posted by reflux

I read Steroid Nation several months back and it included a section on the FDA proposal to regulate the supplement industry.

You are correct that regulation was enacted but basically watered down to the point that consumers have no idea what is in their supplements, if it is safe, and if they have any efficacy.

Here's an excerpt from the FDA's website on supplements (edit, underlined the key part below):

But in choosing whether to use dietary supplements, FDA answers consumers' questions by noting that under DSHEA, FDA's requirement for premarket review of dietary supplements is less than that over other products it regulates, such as drugs and many additives used in conventional foods.
This means that consumers and manufacturers have responsibility for checking the safety of dietary supplements and determining the truthfulness of label claims.

[DBD]

Originally Posted by SnookDawg

My read on this would be that the manufacturer of the supplement was also manufacturing 'roids. It would be extremely difficult to make 'roids and keep traces of that out of your other products. These are not FDA regulated products/facilities, so manufacturing processes are lax compared to someone making a therapeutic, like a big pharma company.

I would tend to agree with this, although it is not a true "'roid", just because of the fact that norandrostenedione is not a supplement that one would use for endurance and the fact that it needs to be taken in mega doses to work which also causes extreme water retention, which any of the variants of androstenedione would do.

Now if they found traces of say Winstrol V or Equipoise ...

[TitusChick]

I never use supplements. I run on pure estrogen.

[SnookDawg]

Originally Posted by TitusChick

I never use supplements. I run on pure estrogen.