save san clemente

[KeepsWhatHappens]

Originally Posted by sir crashalot

un-kola-
unfortunately CHSP may have to be fought for again... the Toll Road Authority has its sights on CHSP next, if san onofre goes through and sets a precedent. I found out a couple of years ago they want to continue the 241 past the 91, bisecting CHSP. Not sure if that's still their plan, but it probably is.

I'm sure if there's open land they can build houses on - that is their plan.

KeepsWhatHappens

[mtnbikerfred]

Here's another place to protest. I like this one because I actually got the link from the TCA. Evil bastards. the sooner they go out of business, the sooner the 241, 261, the 73, and the 91 carpool lanes will be free.

[DISCO]

Originally Posted by KeepsWhatHappens

Alot of people are wanting and pushing for the 241 Toll Road to be extended into San Clemente. Not only will this ruin the world-famous Trestles surfing beach but also the San Clemente Singletracks.

If you value these pristine locations please contact the California Coastal Commission and tell them that you don't want the toll road to go through.

They are already against it but need more support to completely shelve the idea. We can do it if enough people show their opposition. We can kill it just like the El Toro Airport was killed!

Please act now before it is too late!

Thank you,

KeepsWhatHappens

The reason Eminent Domain exists is to facilitate projects that are in the interests of thousands and not just those whose backyard is in question. Such as an airport that could provide tens of thousands of jobs and relive congestion at facilities already at capacity. Maybe even as a base for fire fighting aircraft to have easy access to rural areas. However our system of laws allows capitalists like myself to rape every cent from the land instead under the guise of public benefit like a "park". The proposed toll road is a must for the planned 35000 units that will extend all the way to Ortega in the next two decades. not to mention the twenty thousand units planned for the former navy properties. But more overpriced, congested, dense master planned housing is exactly what we need to increase our quality of life. The impact of all the extra cars from the hundred and fifty thousand or so residents simply wont fit past the five at crown valley as it is. But with poorer air quality, more human waste, and energy prices rising there are much darker clouds on the horizon. The bunny huggers are to blame for not paying more attention to the species most at risk of extinction, Humanity.

I fry bigger fish like fresh water supplies and where exactly to dispose of an ever growing mountain of trash generated by our county. But I would like to enjoy these fine trails while they last. Since I have taken my car off the road I could use a ride to check them out and verify all the nice things I have heard. Public transportation is tricky in rural areas, which is why I hitch hiked for the privilege of moving several thousand pounds of rocks into a new retaining wall on the slopes of saddle back after a lonely walk up the hill.

Before I am lambasted for not wanting to protect species on the brink of extinction due to loss of habitat, I would ask you to please send rebuttals to a Dr. Darwin in England.

Thank you for listening.
Disco

[Schecky]

Originally Posted by DISCO

The reason Eminent Domain exists is to facilitate projects that are in the interests of thousands and not just those whose backyard is in question. Such as an airport that could provide tens of thousands of jobs and relive congestion at facilities already at capacity. Maybe even as a base for fire fighting aircraft to have easy access to rural areas. However our system of laws allows capitalists like myself to rape every cent from the land instead under the guise of public benefit like a "park". The proposed toll road is a must for the planned 35000 units that will extend all the way to Ortega in the next two decades. not to mention the twenty thousand units planned for the former navy properties. But more overpriced, congested, dense master planned housing is exactly what we need to increase our quality of life. The impact of all the extra cars from the hundred and fifty thousand or so residents simply wont fit past the five at crown valley as it is. But with poorer air quality, more human waste, and energy prices rising there are much darker clouds on the horizon. The bunny huggers are to blame for not paying more attention to the species most at risk of extinction, Humanity.

I fry bigger fish like fresh water supplies and where exactly to dispose of an ever growing mountain of trash generated by our county. But I would like to enjoy these fine trails while they last. Since I have taken my car off the road I could use a ride to check them out and verify all the nice things I have heard. Public transportation is tricky in rural areas, which is why I hitch hiked for the privilege of moving several thousand pounds of rocks into a new retaining wall on the slopes of saddle back after a lonely walk up the hill.

Before I am lambasted for not wanting to protect species on the brink of extinction due to loss of habitat, I would ask you to please send rebuttals to a Dr. Darwin in England.

Thank you for listening.
Disco

It made no sense to create a new airport when there is already one with room to grow on.
It also make no sense to put a private toll road in public open space.
If there is room for 35000 homes, then they can sacrifice a few of them and build the road on that land.

[sir crashalot]

Originally Posted by mtnbikerfred

Here's another place to protest. I like this one because I actually got the link from the TCA. Evil bastards. the sooner they go out of business, the sooner the 241, 261, the 73, and the 91 carpool lanes will be free.

When i go to that link, I can't find where to protest?

[KeepsWhatHappens]

Well put Schecky.

KeepsWhatHappens

[mtnbikerfred]

HAhaha I used their "Support the Toll Road" form to submit my opposition.

This is what I got back:

Thank you for supporting the completion of the 241 Toll Road. We strongly encourage you to take a moment to send your comments to the Coastal Commission as snail mail:

California Coastal Commission
Chairman Patrick Kruer
45 Fremont Street, Ste. 2000
San Francisco, CA 94105

Thank you again for your support.

Here was the message sent to the commissioner from you:

The extension of the past Oso and the 74 IS NOT going to relieve traffic. There are simply not that many people driving from the Foothill Ranch and Santa Margarita areas south of San Clemente everyday. The majority of I-5 travelers in that are coming to and from the Irvine area. Taking the 241 extension up to the 261, and then south again isn't going to save them time (it's going to cost them money though). The impact to the environment will be permanent. Not amount of off-site mitigation can bring back an utterly and completely destroyed ecosystem. I doubt the disturbance will be limited to the 1 acre they claim. Just the traffic paths in out of the site are more than that. There is still controversy over the existence of steelhead that may run San Mateo Creek. If we put the toll road through trestles, All hope of restoring that ecosystem is gone. The residents of San Clement have not been made fully aware of the impact of being bisected by two "highways" with vehicles traveling at 70mph day and night. This plan only makes sense for people who live in Coto, who want to drive down to Coronado for the weekend. Don't be fooled by all the money behind this project. It (along with the inevitable development of South Orange County) is a poorly thought out idea. If traffic on the I-5 is really the problem, then why doesn't the TCA want to invest in fast-track lanes or an overhead expansion of the I-5?
Please oppose the 241 South extension.

Sincerest thanks!!

Fred Williams

[KeepsWhatHappens]

They must be expecting a HUGE turnout so the location has been changed...Here's the info....

This is from Friends of The Foothills

I have just been informed that they have changed the location of the
February Coastal Commission meeting to Wyland Hall, at the Del Mar Fairgrounds.
2260 Jimmy Durante Blvd. in the city of Del Mar.

Now it is more than important than ever that we have high attendance because
the venue can hold 3,000 seats!

If you have not confirmed your seat on the bus and you would like to ride on
it please RSVP to me and please provide
1) full name
2) phone number
3) city

Robin Everett
Conservation Organizer
Sierra Club
Friends of the Foothills
949-361-7534
949-338-5356 cell
949-361-6623 fax

-------------------------

Please!! Now is the time to take action to save Trestles and San Clemente Singletracks.

If I can get the day off I will be driving down and then riding SCST on the way back home. Anyone else interested in this plan?

KeepsWhatHappens

[KeepsWhatHappens]

The briefing meeting now is being held Monday January 28th at 7pm at the El Adobe Restaurant in San Juan Capistrano.

Attend the Community Briefing on January 28th featuring Stanford law professor and former Coastal Commission Chair Meg Caldweld and learn how to be most effective when the Coastal Commission meets in Del Mar on February 6th.

To RSVP email Robin Everett.

P.S. The Coastal Commission hearing is fast approaching, are*you coming?**The hearing will be on Feb 6th at 9 a.m. at Wyland Hall @ the Del Mar Fairgrounds: 2260 Jimmy Duarte, Del Mar We will provide free bus transportation, lunch and a t-shirt! Buses will leave from Trestles parking lot at 7:00 a.m.

KeepsWhatHappens

[El Gringo]

Inked. Just moved to OC and discovered San Clemente ST. I put out a thread asking for Ultimate HT STs in OC and I can't believe no one suggested San Clemente.

Anyone know of similar trails around here? (Please don't put anything in Aliso Woods in the same category).

EG

[BrewMaster]

Bummer, I'll be out of town for the Feb 6th meeting.

[Calvin]

Done!

[KeepsWhatHappens]

Originally Posted by El Gringo

Inked. Just moved to OC and discovered San Clemente ST. I put out a thread asking for Ultimate HT STs in OC and I can't believe no one suggested San Clemente.

Anyone know of similar trails around here? (Please don't put anything in Aliso Woods in the same category).

EG

People want to keep this place under wraps if possible I'm guessing.

KeepsWhatHappens

[DISCO]

Originally Posted by Schecky

It made no sense to create a new airport when there is already one with room to grow on.
It also make no sense to put a private toll road in public open space.
If there is room for 35000 homes, then they can sacrifice a few of them and build the road on that land.

I am not sure which airport it is you speak of. The only one I can think of around here is antiquated and has any future expansion capped by busy super highways at both ends. Not to mention a cap on not only how many flights but also the hours at which planes may operate.

Furthermore the toll road will be the central thoroughfare for the planned "Rancho Mission Viejo" project . The residents of Capistrano don't want it in their backyards either however they lack ownership of the developing land in question.

I still maintain that putting a public benefit into the hands of a for-profit corporation is a lopsided equation. "the great farce"

I am reminded of when we used to build BMX jumps as kids. It would start out with a good crew and fun sessions. Eventually strangers would show up to ride without digging. As time progressed the outsiders trash piled up and offended delicate groups then the fruits of our labor would perish under the blade of a dozer. These are the risks in building on land which you don't personally own. I will say that I still prefer it from a liability standpoint though.

[KeepsWhatHappens]

The briefing meeting to learn how to stop the toll road is now is being held Monday January 28th at 7pm at the El Adobe Restaurant in San Juan Capistrano.

Attend the Community Briefing on January 28th featuring Stanford law professor and former Coastal Commission Chair Meg Caldweld and learn how to be most effective when the Coastal Commission meets in Del Mar on February 6th.

To RSVP email Robin Everett.

P.S. The Coastal Commission hearing is fast approaching, are*you coming?**The hearing will be on Feb 6th at 9 a.m. at Wyland Hall @ the Del Mar Fairgrounds: 2260 Jimmy Duarte, Del Mar We will provide free bus transportation, lunch and a t-shirt! Buses will leave from Trestles parking lot at 7:00 a.m.

KeepsWhatHappens

[sir crashalot]

John-sorry I couldn't make it to the meeting tonite; I originally planned on being there, but ended up having to work late, and some other stuff came up. I'll definetely be present on wed the 6th though, off from work all day.

[kbteachme]

Done!

P.S. I grew up in San Clemente. I started surfing at Lowers, Uppers, and Cotton's Point back in '79. I will try anything to stop to toll road from happening.

[Pain Freak]

I really don't mean to sound like a pessimist here, but I honestly believe it's a forgone conclussion. Some of you have been around to see the newer cities that have been built and there was strong opposition to this too, but money talks and as we all know there is a lot of money in South OC.

Let's keep up the good fight though. We can try and hold them off as long as we can and I seriously believe they won't be able to get it done in the next 20 years.

But it will be done.

[KeepsWhatHappens]

Thanks Gary. I too couldn't make it tonight due to work. I am trying to get off the 6th but I have big job that I'm in the midst of...and can't easily take a day off.

The important thing is, if you can't make the meeting make sure you write and make your opinion heard to the California Coastal Commission BEFORE THE 6th! And if you want to really make an effect get five others to voice their opinions in writing and/or in person to stop the toll road!

KeepsWhatHappens

Originally Posted by sir crashalot

John-sorry I couldn't make it to the meeting tonite; I originally planned on being there, but ended up having to work late, and some other stuff came up. I'll definetely be present on wed the 6th though, off from work all day.

[Hannibal]

Glad to sign the petition. Both Trestles and the single tracks must be preserved!!