Frame Opinion - 07 Gary Fisher Paragon 29'er

[Chewyeti]

Anyone have one?
Its aluminum.... and 07.

Good frame? Anything i should be worried about?

Thanks!

[northshore]

Originally Posted by Chewyeti

Anyone have one?
Its aluminum.... and 07.

Good frame? Anything i should be worried about?

Thanks!

Ghixon??

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by Chewyeti

Anyone have one?
Its aluminum.... and 07.

Good frame? Anything i should be worried about?

Thanks!

have the G2 geo?

[FoShizzle]

Originally Posted by DeeZee

have the G2 geo?

who cares? offset is just a fairy tale term made up by the 29er zealots to make themselves look more sophisticated than 26er riders (ie, another way to compensate for lack of manliness)

[Burner]

Originally Posted by FoShizzle

who cares? offset is just a fairy tale term made up by the 29er zealots to make themselves look more sophisticated than 26er riders (ie, another way to compensate for lack of manliness)

if that's the case, let me trade you my reba for your F29

[FoShizzle]

Originally Posted by Burner

if that's the case, let me trade you my reba for your F29

My F29 is not off of a Fisher so not sure it has the hocus pocus G2 geo anyway....besides, on a serious note, i hate the Reba 29er. I have owned 2 of them and they are friggin noodles and have no bidniz on other than a single speed used for XC riding. The F29 is WHEY stiffer and trustworthy when the going gets tough...

[allison]

Originally Posted by FoShizzle

who cares? offset is just a fairy tale term made up by the 29er zealots to make themselves look more sophisticated than 26er riders (ie, another way to compensate for lack of manliness)

What if they are chicks? I'm not so concerned about offset or my manliness.

On topic, I have nothing to add. Sorry

[Chewyeti]

i think 07's are the gen 1 geo....

what is offset? Does this dictate what fork can be run?

[Burner]

the fox also has more offset, 44 vs 38 I believe.... that's not drastic, but I bet it would make my asylum feel better since it kind of got raked out a little with a 100mm reba. I just got one of those dtswiss rws quick release thru axle thingies, so we'll see if it feels stiffer with the reba, haven't ridden it yet.

and I thought I remember you saying in another thread that you can't feel fork flex? oh that was DZ

[BrewMaster]

Offset is a characteristic of the fork. You are just asking about the GF frame, so offset shouldn't be part of this conversation. It is the Genesis 1 geometry.

http://fisherbikes.com/archive/model/265

[FoShizzle]

Originally Posted by Burner

and I thought I remember you saying in another thread that you can't feel fork flex? oh that was DZ

I cant actually "feel" fork flex, but I sure can tell the difference between a bike holding a line in rough stuff or not holding a line in rough stuff at speed

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by FoShizzle

who cares? offset is just a fairy tale term made up by the 29er zealots to make themselves look more sophisticated than 26er riders (ie, another way to compensate for lack of manliness)

FoShizz knows fairy's

Let me put this in caveman terms so FoShizz can understand. The G1 and G2 have differnent HA's.

Now if he posts that HA's are not a factor then he should be banned

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by Burner

the fox also has more offset, 44 vs 38 I believe.... that's not drastic, but I bet it would make my asylum feel better since it kind of got raked out a little with a 100mm reba. I just got one of those dtswiss rws quick release thru axle thingies, so we'll see if it feels stiffer with the reba, haven't ridden it yet.

and I thought I remember you saying in another thread that you can't feel fork flex? oh that was DZ

that both you and Fo Shizz are products of the LA Unified School District. As FYM pointed out there are better schools is SO OC Let me put this way for Burner / Fo Shizz.


Qr vs 20mm = Noticeable fork flex
Qr brand vs Qr brand = No noticable difference.

[FoShizzle]

Originally Posted by DeeZee

FoShizz knows fairy's

Let me put this in caveman terms so FoShizz can understand. The G1 and G2 have differnent HA's.

Now if he posts that HA's are not a factor then he should be banned

head angles matter......you got me there

Originally Posted by DeeZee

that both you and Fo Shizz are products of the LA Unified School District. As FYM pointed out there are better schools is SO OC Let me put this way for Burner / Fo Shizz.


Qr vs 20mm = Noticeable fork flex
Qr brand vs Qr brand = No noticable difference.

let me put this in terms you can understand......none of this crap matters if you know how to ride, just marketing mumbo jumbo since like with any other industry, marketing HAS to come up with the latest and greatest to reinvent everything...its their job, and your job to believe it (mission accomplished apparently)

[BrewMaster]

Does anyone actually have one of these frames to give Aaron feedback? Sorry to keep us on topic.

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by BrewMaster

Offset is a characteristic of the fork. You are just asking about the GF frame, so offset shouldn't be part of this conversation. It is the Genesis 1 geometry.

http://fisherbikes.com/archive/model/265

The older GF frames (G1) had a reputation of breaking at the seat tube / top tube area. However it was "reported" that it was corrected by better welds in that area.

The new G2 frames have a gusset in that area.

edit...Here is a pic of the G2. FoShizz will disagree

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by FoShizzle

head angles matter......you got me there


let me put this in terms you can understand......none of this crap matters if you know how to ride, just marketing mumbo jumbo since like with any other industry, marketing HAS to come up with the latest and greatest to reinvent everything...its their job, and your job to believe it (mission accomplished apparently)

time for your meds. Go back and read your posts when you are sober

The Fox is stiff as a board and the Reba is a noodle. Calling BS on that one

[station]

Does your head ever explode trying to figure out all the measurements and what they mean for each bike/part? Sigh

[FoShizzle]

Originally Posted by BrewMaster

Does anyone actually have one of these frames to give Aaron feedback? Sorry to keep us on topic.

yeah, whatever dad, I mean BM....what GheyZee said.....breakage issues and frankly, way too many issues over the years for me to believe they did much of anything to fix it. Has to be the only company with handmade US bikes (they are, right?) which somehow detracts from its performance

Originally Posted by DeeZee

time for your meds. Go back and read your posts when you are sober

The Fox is stiff as a board and the Reba is a noodle. Calling BS on that one

huh? I am FAR from the only rider with an opinion that the 29er Reba is very flexy and lame......the Fox is not the stiffest fork in the world but compared to the Gheyba 29er, puhleeze, you have no clue sir.

[Fired Yo Momma]

Originally Posted by DeeZee

that both you and Fo Shizz are products of the LA Unified School District. As FYM pointed out there are better schools is SO OC Let me put this way for Burner / Fo Shizz.


Qr vs 20mm = Noticeable fork flex
Qr brand vs Qr brand = No noticable difference.

Ha ha ha ha

Its all about the ESL baby!