California State Parks Budget Crisis Threatens Mountain Bike Access/Park Closures

[ghixon]

San Simeon State Park - They'd probably give it back to the Hearst Family.

[Shannon]

Originally Posted by ghixon

San Simeon State Park - They'd probably give it back to the Hearst Family.

That was my thought. Of course the mansion wasn't on the list. I think that place makes good $$$ for the state.

[Waldo]

I don't buy that list as the final solution: I think it's the first stone thrown in what will be a major political fight between the gov, the state senate, and a number of the most powerful unions and interest groups in the state.

[northshore]

Originally Posted by dstepper

Yep and if you want to move to Prescott I can help ya out.

Dean

I've thought about it more lately because living in CA is getting crappier by the minute. Even if you earned a 6 figure income, it's nearly impossible to support a family plus own a home. Not to thread jack, but what Arnold is doing and how the many past presidents have screwed CA has me thinking about moving to places like Oregon, Arizona, and possibly the E.C.

[dstepper]

Scare tactics to raise taxes and user fees.

[Permagrin]

If something like this were to go through I don't suppose the state park parking pass cost will be lowered to accommodate lesser access to the parks...??? I wonder what the domino effect would be for other related items in conjuction with closures?

I can see the lifeguard minimization and maybe the campgrounds (even though I don't like the idea) due to monetary issues but how can you completely close a park - do you have to develop it?

[singleSSpeedster]

i do not think that chino hill s.p. was mentioned on a npr report i heard about this idea. right now, it is just that, an idea.

i did hear topanga was on the list, that would suck.

i think these closures would save the state of california some $14 million...a VERY small drop in the buck in the state's fiscal crisis.

[sdyeti]

+10,000 thanks, northshore!

It's one of the reasons I want to move back east too.

I lived in AZ...it's not so bad, though home prices have gone up A LOT since there has been so much flight from it's western neighbor.

Oregon...now that's a prospect but it's too damn cloudy near the coast and some areas (i.e. Bend) are getting way overpopulated.

Originally Posted by northshore

I've thought about it more lately because living in CA is getting crappier by the minute. Even if you earned a 6 figure income, it's nearly impossible to support a family plus own a home. Not to thread jack, but what Arnold is doing and how the many past presidents have screwed CA has me thinking about moving to places like Oregon, Arizona, and possibly the E.C.

[allison]

Originally Posted by sdyeti

+10,000 thanks, northshore!

It's one of the reasons I want to move back east too.

I lived in AZ...it's not so bad, though home prices have gone up A LOT since there has been so much flight from it's western neighbor.

Oregon...now that's a prospect but it's too damn cloudy near the coast and some areas (i.e. Bend) are getting way overpopulated.

If you ever go to Fruita/Grand Junction that'll probably end up being on your list as well. Justin and Denny have it near the top of their "move to" lists! With your jobs.. it may even be feasible for you guys.

[sdyeti]

Probably easier for me to get a job than Dan but yeah, I want to go to CO soooo bad and see what it's like. I've never been.

Originally Posted by allison

If you ever go to Fruita/Grand Junction that'll probably end up being on your list as well. Justin and Denny have it near the top of their "move to" lists! With your jobs.. it may even be feasible for you guys.

[ghixon]

Originally Posted by Shannon

That was my thought. Of course the mansion wasn't on the list. I think that place makes good $$$ for the state.

True.

Didn't they own all that land until they turned it over to the state. I know the Hearst Family has a home and a private air strip on the grounds still.

[dirtvert]

Hey now. Let's not put all the blame on poor people/economic refugees- many who have been here for decades paying taxes (propping up Social Security with billions), but using a disproportionate amount of services. If you put them all on "an island" our economy would implode. I think most of the current problems are due to arnold starting lots of expensive programs at a time when Washington has us heading into a recession.

[sdyeti]

I don't think that was who anyone was blaming. There was a mention of people who don't pay taxes.

Originally Posted by dirtvert

Hey now. Let's not put all the blame on poor people/economic refugees

[allison]

Originally Posted by sdyeti

Probably easier for me to get a job than Dan but yeah, I want to go to CO soooo bad and see what it's like. I've never been.

Summer road trip!!

[Pilas]

Originally Posted by allison

I would go into my opinion of why, but I doubt it'd be very popular. It has to do with providing goverment services to those that shouldn't be getting them and don't ever pay for them (school, medical care, etc.).

Instead of closing down parks and cutting education they need to stop providing free stuff to non-citizens (or those that don't pay taxes).

OK. let's be careful here. Non-citizens (like me) pay the same taxes as you do. Maybe you are referring to illegal aliens... And even they pay some taxes. Sales taxes are paid by everybody, and those taxes go to the state.
We could argue all day long about the pros and cons of immigration, and I believe there are good points on both sides of the argument. Let's just make sure we get our facts straight.

[allison]

Originally Posted by dirtvert

Hey now. Let's not put all the blame on poor people/economic refugees- many who have been here for decades paying taxes (propping up Social Security with billions), but using a disproportionate amount of services. If you put them all on "an island" our economy would implode. I think most of the current problems are due to arnold starting lots of expensive programs at a time when Washington has us heading into a recession.

You're mixing up one problem with another. The idea was to put prisoners on an island. Not anyone else. And, I'm pretty sure it was typed in jest.

Um, CA was broke long before Arnold came along.

Originally Posted by Pilas

OK. let's be careful here. Non-citizens (like me) pay the same taxes as you do. Maybe you are referring to ilegal aliens... And even them pay some taxes. Sales taxes are paid by everybody, and those taxes go to the state.
We could argue all day long about the pros and cons of immigration, and I believe there are good points on both sides of the argument. Let's just make sure we get our facts straight.

I don't recall saying anything about immigrants here that are paying taxes and working. I worked at an immigration law firm for more than 3 years. I've got *nothing* against those that are here through the system (as screwed up, expensive, and time consuming as it is).

[dirtvert]

well, they were at least implying that included undocumented workers, but that could have been the vicodin speaking...(not trying to start a flame-fest)...

[allison]

Originally Posted by dirtvert

well, they were at least implying that included undocumented workers...(not trying to start a flame-fest)...

Not what I got from it.

But, back to state park closures.