A (Iron) Horse by any other name...

[Pato]

... is it still the same?

Hey guys I'm looking to get another frame with about 5" of travel. At first I was considering the IH Hollowpoint MKIII because of the good things I've heard about the DW-Link suspension design. Now I'm considering the Ibis Mojo SL which also licenses the suspension technology from Dave. Will the ride be similar in feel?

I'm kind of drawn towards the Ibis as it can be built up under 22lbs with uber light XC parts. I just don't know how well they've implemented the DW-Link technology compared to IH. I currently ride a Foes FXR that I really like but it weighs in at 30.5lbs. Just looking for a lighter XC oriented bike for the longer rides.

Anyone? Dino?

[northshore]

Dino will probably chime in later. Talk to HouseOfMusic. He has an IBIS and loves it. I held the frame at the bike company and was amazed at the weight! Full carbon! I was told it's probably not the best frame for AM or crazy DH stuff but it's well suited for XC, and they did have a fully built one tipping the scales at about 21lbs. I believe it's the same DWLink on my MKIII Comp bike. If I remember correctly (Dino correct me if I'm wrong) but the updated link will be released on the Pivot frames.

Edit: Look at the December issue of MBA as well. They had a full review of it. I still have the mag if you would like to read it. I found a small comment about it on the MBA site but it does not do it justice:
http://www.mbaction.com/Me2/dirmod.a...71286948BC8AD7

[Pato]

Originally Posted by northshore

If I remember correctly (Dino correct me if I'm wrong) but the updated link will be released on the Pivot frames.

Yea, I was looking for something light for more XC stuff once my knee heals up and I can start riding again.

New DW-Link? Tell me more.

Thanks for the info.

Duc

[northshore]

Originally Posted by Pato

Yea, I was looking for something light for more XC stuff once my knee heals up and I can start riding again.

New DW-Link? Tell me more.

Thanks for the info.

Duc

Best said here: http://www.pivotcycles.com/tech.php

[thebush]

Originally Posted by Pato

Yea, I was looking for something light for more XC stuff once my knee heals up and I can start riding again.

New DW-Link? Tell me more.

Thanks for the info.

Duc

http://www.split-pivot.com/

[northshore]

Originally Posted by thebush

http://www.split-pivot.com/

^^^^^ that's the one....

[Winston]

Split-Pivot is by Weagle but it is not an upgrade to DW-Link. It's more competiton for the single pivot bike design.

[andy aka rut]

Something else to consider is the material of the frame. The IH is aluminium correct? And the Ibis is carbon fiber???

[houseofmusic]

Originally Posted by northshore

Dino will probably chime in later. Talk to HouseOfMusic. He has an IBIS and loves it. I held the frame at the bike company and was amazed at the weight! Full carbon! I was told it's probably not the best frame for AM or crazy DH stuff but it's well suited for XC, and they did have a fully built one tipping the scales at about 21lbs. I believe it's the same DWLink on my MKIII Comp bike. If I remember correctly (Dino correct me if I'm wrong) but the updated link will be released on the Pivot frames.

Edit: Look at the December issue of MBA as well. They had a full review of it. I still have the mag if you would like to read it. I found a small comment about it on the MBA site but it does not do it justice:
http://www.mbaction.com/Me2/dirmod.a...71286948BC8AD7

I don't think the MOJO will be a good bikefor DH but it for sure is the ultimate AM bike!

The SL and the Mojo is pretty similar, they reinforced certain spot in the SL and i believe they lost most of the weight by replacing the RP23 with the DT Swiss Carbon Shox.

[Sprockethead]

Duc,

You should check out Pivot Cycles. They're new, but the founder has been around a long time. He used to own Titus. I like the Mojo, it's a beautiful bike, but I would be hesitant on a full carbon frame. I know you like to huck and fall, I'd be weary about how long carbon would stand up. The Path will be a Pivot dealer soon so you may want to give them a call.

[Marshall Willanholly]

From the Speedgoat blog, re: Pivot

http://www.speedgoat.com/blog.asp?p=1083

[slowSSer]

Originally Posted by thebush

http://www.split-pivot.com/

that's some cool stuff- thanks for the linky

Originally Posted by Sprockethead

Duc,

You should check out Pivot Cycles. They're new, but the founder has been around a long time. He used to own Titus. I like the Mojo, it's a beautiful bike, but I would be hesitant on a full carbon frame. I know you like to huck and fall, I'd be weary about how long carbon would stand up. The Path will be a Pivot dealer soon so you may want to give them a call.

I thought that i heard somewhere that The Path is going to be carying Pivot.....thanks for reconfirming.

my 2 titus's were welded by Chris Cochalis and I'd own another bike welded by him in an instant. I'm sorry that he left titus, but it's not like i've got to worry about my frame breaking.

[Pato]

Thanks for all the replies everyone. I read about the Split Pivot long ago. Thanks for refreshing my memory. I'm aware that the Mojo is a CF frame. I'll only be using it as my XC bike anyhow. I need something light so I can get out asap when my knee heals up enough. 30lbs+ bikes are not cutting it for me right now.

Andy, it's not so much that I fall a lot. I like to think of it as me becoming one with the trail.

Duc

[TallTom]

Hello SoCal Guys,
Tom from Ibis Cycles posting. A Google alert brought me to this thread and I thought that I might chime in on a few issues.
First off, yes, the Mojo is not a DH bike, but it is perfectly suited to AM riding. Northshore could talk to the guys at The Bike Company who would attest to that. They have a few guys, who I am not at liberty to mention, riding Mojos who would put the question to rest pretty quickly.
Regardless, the Mojo might not be the bike for everybody, but it does a lot of things really well and its design was heavily influenced by SoCal riding. Even though we're decidedly a Northern California company, I spent the 6 years prior to starting Ibis living in SoCal and riding trails from Rocky Peak in Simi Valley, to El Prieto in Alta Dena, to Aliso Woods and Whiting Ranch. Point being, that it would be the bike I would ride every day if I still lived down there.
To the question of whether carbon is strong enough for such useage, basically carbon is many times stronger than aluminum. This is not an opinion, this is a simple engineering fact that can be easily referenced. That said, carbon like any material can be used inappropriately. You can't use carbon as though it was the same as aluminum or steel and expect to get a good result. We feel that with the Mojo we have addressed these factors and as a result the strength test results that we get from both the standard Mojo and the Mojo SL are comparable to high quality aluminum frames that weigh as much as 3 pounds more.
Finally, in regard to the application of the DW Link suspension on the Mojo, I think that the consumer reviews of the Mojo's ride speak themselves. People seem to love it. I know that it far exceeded our expectations when we designed the bike. That said, I'd like to point out that the Pivot bikes are not a newer version of the DW Link design. They are just using a different version. Within the parameters of the DW Link design different charachteristics can be emphasized or surpressed. It is my understanding that they folks at Pivot were seeking a different ride quality than what we wanted from the Mojo. Also, as Winston stated, Dave developed the split-pivot design to be easier to manufacture and thus lower cost, but it is not a replacement for the DW Link design.
Finally, for those of you who are not familiar with Ibis I invite you to check us out. My two partners and I have more than 60 years experience in the bicycle industry. So hopefully we've learned a few things in that time. We're riders ourselves, and we try to make ourselves as available as we can to answer questions and provide information to interested consumers. So feel free to contact us directly if you have any questions. There's also a pretty lively dedicate Ibis forum on MTBR if you ever find yourselves over there.
Happy Trails!

[houseofmusic]

Tom, I'm glad that Ibis is finally in STR. Your quick response time to people's questions in MTBR is great!.

Originally Posted by TallTom

Hello SoCal Guys,
Tom from Ibis Cycles posting. A Google alert brought me to this thread and I thought that I might chime in on a few issues.
First off, yes, the Mojo is not a DH bike, but it is perfectly suited to AM riding. Northshore could talk to the guys at The Bike Company who would attest to that. They have a few guys, who I am not at liberty to mention, riding Mojos who would put the question to rest pretty quickly.
Regardless, the Mojo might not be the bike for everybody, but it does a lot of things really well and its design was heavily influenced by SoCal riding. Even though we're decidedly a Northern California company, I spent the 6 years prior to starting Ibis living in SoCal and riding trails from Rocky Peak in Simi Valley, to El Prieto in Alta Dena, to Aliso Woods and Whiting Ranch. Point being, that it would be the bike I would ride every day if I still lived down there.
To the question of whether carbon is strong enough for such useage, basically carbon is many times stronger than aluminum. This is not an opinion, this is a simple engineering fact that can be easily referenced. That said, carbon like any material can be used inappropriately. You can't use carbon as though it was the same as aluminum or steel and expect to get a good result. We feel that with the Mojo we have addressed these factors and as a result the strength test results that we get from both the standard Mojo and the Mojo SL are comparable to high quality aluminum frames that weigh as much as 3 pounds more.
Finally, in regard to the application of the DW Link suspension on the Mojo, I think that the consumer reviews of the Mojo's ride speak themselves. People seem to love it. I know that it far exceeded our expectations when we designed the bike. That said, I'd like to point out that the Pivot bikes are not a newer version of the DW Link design. They are just using a different version. Within the parameters of the DW Link design different charachteristics can be emphasized or surpressed. It is my understanding that they folks at Pivot were seeking a different ride quality than what we wanted from the Mojo. Also, as Winston stated, Dave developed the split-pivot design to be easier to manufacture and thus lower cost, but it is not a replacement for the DW Link design.
Finally, for those of you who are not familiar with Ibis I invite you to check us out. My two partners and I have more than 60 years experience in the bicycle industry. So hopefully we've learned a few things in that time. We're riders ourselves, and we try to make ourselves as available as we can to answer questions and provide information to interested consumers. So feel free to contact us directly if you have any questions. There's also a pretty lively dedicate Ibis forum on MTBR if you ever find yourselves over there.
Happy Trails!

[Pato]

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your input. I knew exactly the segment this frame was marketed for. I was just unsure of the implementation of the DW-Link compared to Iron Horse.

I currently ride an 07 Foes FXR 2:1 for more aggressive all around riding. Do you have any experience with this frame? I would like to know the riding characteristics of the Mojo SL compared to the FXR. I really love the FXR, but at 30.5lbs, it's murder on my injured knee to be pedaling around. The thought of a 22lbs. XC bike has piqued my interest. I know the geometry is nearly identical with the Mojo being about 1 degree steeper head and set tube angles. Oh, I also have a 26lbs. 05 Specialized Epic that I use for more XC type riding.

I was going to hit up The Bike Co. in Lake Forest to rent their demo Mojo they have once me knee is strong enough to ride. Looks like they are they only shop in SoCal that has the Mojo in a small for demo.

Duc

[northshore]

Hey TallTom! I'm glad to see that you took the time to logon and put some debatable info at rest! That's a huge plus in my book to actually get in the trenches with other riders to talk bike.

[Pato]

Hey Northshore,

I just noticed your avatar. You have a photo of Duke Kahanamoku. One of his relatives (can't remember the relationship) works at the same company as me.

Duc