MTBR Decline

[mottmcfly]

I used to be a loyal member of MTBR until I came here and tonight I know why I left. I took one little trip over there and the first thing I see is a post bashing one of their own, complete with accusations from planting booby traps to being a creepy old man. The person in question must be beyond mortified and I cannot even imagine being in this person's place. Everyone on this site called this person friend at one point. There is no basis or proof for any of these accusations and the post is reminiscent of a witch hunt. Any moderator worth his or her salt would have pulled this thread in a heartbeat.

I am beyond disgusted and will not make the mistake of visiting that forum again.

I only post this to highlight what we have here and to make sure we protect it from ever becoming what is going on over there.

Mott

[Mudman]

MTBR sucks. Everytime I ask a question about something- there is usualy nothing on topic. Other than die hard fans of their own bikes bashing everything else. I still check up on there though because I have no life.

Although coming here for questions about a bike for Freeride is a little difficult because there doesn't seem to be many here that actually do. One thing is for sure, everyone here is helpful. It's only once in a blue moon when I get someone on MTBR that really wants to help as opposed to forcing an opinion. And there actually seems to be only a handful of helpful people on there.

[un-kola]

Mtbr-Too many 'tudes and flamers lately.If you don't agree there's no discussion-they just light you up.Kind of like Socalmtb was before it died.

[spookydave]

well now you know why it's been called empty beer for so many years.

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by mottmcfly

I used to be a loyal member of MTBR until I came here and tonight I know why I left. I took one little trip over there and the first thing I see is a post bashing one of their own, complete with accusations from planting booby traps to being a creepy old man. The person in question must be beyond mortified and I cannot even imagine being in this person's place. Everyone on this site called this person friend at one point. There is no basis or proof for any of these accusations and the post is reminiscent of a witch hunt. Any moderator worth his or her salt would have pulled this thread in a heartbeat.

I am beyond disgusted and will not make the mistake of visiting that forum again.

I only post this to highlight what we have here and to make sure we protect it from ever becoming what is going on over there.

Mott

what forum was it?

I go to the 29'er forum from time to time. Really just to lurk and see what new products are out there.

But the manufact fourms??Run away.....

[Tedroy]

... The reason why STR is just better!
Agreed!

[Pain Freak]

Kind of a shame.Years ago, I met a lot of cool people and riders there.But even then it was a hit & miss type of thing weather you'd get a ration of shiat for asking a perfectly legitimate question. I've watched mountain bike sites and a few others go this way and I always wonder why the mods don't step in. MTBR went the way a lot of sites go and that's chasing the almighty dollar.

[Abui]

It happends to all sites as they grow, sort of a Bell curve thing. Finally the topics expand until someone's sore point is hit, like Can O Worms.

Anyway I find the Norcal board a popular and friendly place. I've checked and seen more people on Norcal than Passion.

[LBmtb]

Originally Posted by Caveman

It happends to all sites as they grow, sort of a Bell curve thing. Finally the topics expand until someone's sore point is hit, like Can O Worms.

I have to disagree. Can O Worms was a valid discussion on a hot topic in which there are differing opinions. It's healthy and necessary to have those discussions. Just like real families that occasionally have difficult but necessary discussions. It's nowhere near the level of MTBR type worthless rants like xc vs dh, ss vs gears, etc.

As long as STR is my baby it'll never become what the socal board on MTBR is.

[JoeTruth]

Originally Posted by LBmtb

I have to disagree. Can O Worms was a valid discussion on a hot topic in which there are differing opinions. It's healthy and necessary to have those discussions. Just like real families that occasionally have difficult but necessary discussions. It's nowhere near the level of MTBR type worthless rants like xc vs dh, ss vs gears, etc.

As long as STR is my baby it'll never become what the socal board on MTBR is.

[SIZE=3]I totally agree and good for you! The thing I like here is that there is no segregation and isolation. I think originally the intent was good making all the different boards but rather then serving a positive productive purpose, it turned into groupies and gangs (Turner vs. Ellsworth. SS vs. gears. DH vs. XC, etc.).
I believe with sensible liberal moderation and avoiding the same pit falls as MTBR, all will continue to be well.

A similar thing happened to Socalmtb.com and it's a shame. I personally know Steve Carrey (the creator, webmaster and owner of the board). He's a great guy and paved the way for a lot of these boards and that includes this one. His downfall was he wasn't active in the community and did this for the love of the outdoors, not even for riding as he's hardly ever ridden. He's an old school pocket protector wearing IBM Mainframe and Mini Tech. Brilliant guy, just busy with a million other things. He never made a red cent off the board. In fact, it costed more then it revenued but he continued to provide a service and hence built a small loyal community. Like any business though, if you're not hands on and expect other people to look out after your best interest and investment, more times then not, it's not going to happen.


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[mp3]

I still check MTBR from time to time to keep tabs on the racing scene; endurance & XC-racing forums. The former is more friendly as most of those people know each other but that's not the case for the latter.

I prefer STR because it's harder to hide behind a screen name and post alot of BS as there's probably only two degrees of separation between any two riders here.

I think the Can O Worms post would have degenerated into a useless thread very quickly if it was posted on MTBR. Here on STR, people who feel strongly about an issue can voice their opinions and construct a much more informative dialog or at least something worth reading.

Thanks for a great site and all the effort George!

[TooManyTacos]

I visit over there when STR gets slow, but it gets old pretty quickly, what with all the aggressive posturing and e-badassery and the guy who always recommends buying an Ibex and all that other stuff. It's still good for information sometimes because the user base is so big.

[Pain Freak]

Group hug!!!

[Tedroy]

Originally Posted by mp3

I prefer STR because it's harder to hide behind a screen name and post alot of BS as there's probably only two degrees of separation between any two riders here.

... We're actually out here! It's very "real time"...

Gobble!

[Jman]

For like a week and I can already see the difference in forums. I do, however, run into some good conversations over there and I enjoy checking out pics of peoples bikes from all over the country, especially bikes that are the same as mine. I'm involved in a nice little discussion on the resurgence of the HT over there right now in the Frames threads. But I agree that overall it gets a bit old. I like STR because it's mostly conversations about places that are less than an hour away. Very cool stuff, keep up the great work here guys.

[Stray_Bullit]

I just find the comedy in it all. It's a F'n riot over there!

[mtnbikerdude87]

I use to check mtbr a lot back when str was still growing. Now I find myself on str a lot more and I just think that its better to connect with the people here. I still sometimes check mtbr for those great passion posts.

[un-kola]

Originally Posted by Caveman

It happends to all sites as they grow, sort of a Bell curve thing. Finally the topics expand until someone's sore point is hit, like Can O Worms.

Anyway I find the Norcal board a popular and friendly place. I've checked and seen more people on Norcal than Passion.

To me Can of Worms represented a true discussion.People felt strongly about thier viewpoints without lowering the tone of the dicussion to verbal barbs or namecalling.Also the Mods.were on top of things to keep the subject on topic when it seemed to become too heated,just what mods.are supposed to do.People are going to have passionate views,but we all need to step back an listen to what the other person has to say and to also respect that persons views without being insulted. Just my .02 worth.- oh,and a Happy Thanksgiving to everybody in the community out there,wherever you may be.- Lloyd