Can O Worms

[Chopper]

Originally Posted by Wrecker

Having done the "Trail Patrol" at El Moro, I can tell you a few things....

First, it is not about slapping the wrists of those breaking the rules. While you do attempt to educate riders that are breaking the rules, you cannot ticket them. The hope is that they are breaking rules they are not aware of and with education will stop (such as poaching trails). If you have any questions as to the repercussions of poaching trails, please see the other can o worms thread.

Second, it is for trail assistance. John and I would always carry an extra water bottle, and more than 50% of the time found need to give it out to someone (mostly hikers and joggers, as well as a few newbie riders). We also carried maps, and would assist with directions. I can assure you that our rides were, by no means, average, fun, work-out type rides (though we did still get to enjoy the trails, our focus was not on ourselves, but on others); we would ask each and every person on the trail if they were okay or needed assistance.

Third, it really helps the image of mtn bikers by volunteering and assisting ALL trail users. Though they can still biatch about some, they can't really complain about mtn bikers giving out assistance.

Fourth, we would have all the numbers to the rangers, sheriff, etc if needed, and would give a report to the ranger on hand at the end of each patrol, noting any unusual occurrences (wildlife, lost riders/hikers, illegal trail use, etc).

There is more to it, but I'm at work and have limited typing time (plus, I already know most of you aren't reading any more)

Glad you stepped in and cleared this up Wrecker. The SHARE patrols are all about EDUCATION not ENFORCEMENT. Thanks

[ThinkFast]

Originally Posted by g.c.

I guess the only answer here, is that if the WS won't patrol themselves and move their event, we as a community, must ask that event not be held there by calling the Forest Service. Self policing is what we've been talking about for years, including groups like the WS, so now is the time we do it truly.

Keith Fletcher, District Ranger
1147 East Sixth Street
Corona, CA 92879
(951) 736-1811
Fax - (951) 736-3002

Send Mail to:
Cleveland National Forest
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William Metz, Forest Supervisor (effective approx. 10/01/07)
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Or by email:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/cleveland/co...feedback.shtml

Or, write and ask that these trails, that have not been directly effected by the fires, be open to all on the days they will be open to others.

[genusmtbkr5]

Originally Posted by Cowgirl

Your official new name is Charlie of Charlie's Angels...no more Trail Angels...it's Charlie's Angels!!!!

Maybe I should change my screen name to Bosley.

[g.c.]

Originally Posted by andy aka rut

Wow what a hot debate! I'm going to stay pretty quiet on this except for....

It seems most of the uproar is from X-Warriors Society members. For one reason or another they left. I don't want to open that can.

The few, the proud!

[Abui]

Originally Posted by Padre

Wrecker, don't worry, the WS has a much more liberal policy on thinning the ranks already in place.

Can you explain this apparently "inside" joke?

This thread seems more about the WS and their politcal views than about saving the land. What's the beef "former members"?

OMG I just peeked and Mr. 8 posts on the same topic has upped it to 9. Is this MTBR?

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by Caveman

Can you explain this apparently "inside" joke?

This thread seems more about the WS and their politcal views than about saving the land. What's the beef "former members"?

OMG I just peeked and Mr. 8 posts on the same topic has upped it to 9. Is this MTBR?

I know a few "former members". Without naming names the leader has a[FONT='Times New Roman'][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]lienated a bunch of folks and organizations.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT]
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[CPATCRASH]

Originally Posted by DeeZee

I know a few "former members". Without naming names the leader has a[FONT='Times New Roman'][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]lienated a bunch of folks and organizations.[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT='Times New Roman'][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]too bad really[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT]

I need a trip to San Clemente singletracks and Pizza Port! Next Sunday?

[ocrider]

Originally Posted by Pain Freak

Wait a minute....

If the route that is to be rode has not burned then what's the problem with letting people on it? Safety, no. Then what's the reason? Cutting a new trail? This could be done at anytime. This whole scenario seems very fishy to me. There is really no reason to close an area that hasn't been directly burned. I believe this is a very poor decision on the forestry service. Was this a decision by committee or by a singular person?

its closed because they dont want another fire, also its all been dozed and i heard theres like 6 inches of powder.

[DeeZee]

Originally Posted by CPATCRASH

I need a trip to San Clemente singletracks and Pizza Port! Next Sunday?

good

[donkey]

As I was riding to Blackstar today I noticed that the large WS events sign at the entrance to Silverado/Blackstar now says "No Events This Year".

Has there been a change of plans? Just curious....

B

[mtnbikej]

Originally Posted by donkey

As I was riding to Blackstar today I noticed that the large WS events sign at the entrance to Silverado/Blackstar now says "No Events This Year".

Has there been a change of plans? Just curious....

B

Someone vandalized the sign.

[Abui]

Originally Posted by donkey

As I was riding to Blackstar today I noticed that the large WS events sign at the entrance to Silverado/Blackstar now says "No Events This Year".

Has there been a change of plans? Just curious....

B

Vandalism?

Doesn't matter, I just care about 2008.

[maxwell]

Originally Posted by donkey

As I was riding to Blackstar today I noticed that the large WS events sign at the entrance to Silverado/Blackstar now says "No Events This Year".

Has there been a change of plans? Just curious....

B

Hey "B",

I think it's reffering to "no more event's" at the Flying "B".
The last time I saw the sign, about a week ago, it looked normal. And it read no events.

[genusmtbkr5]

Originally Posted by maxwell

Hey "B",

I think it's reffering to "no more event's" at the Flying "B".
The last time I saw the sign, about a week ago, it looked normal. And it read no events.

No, someone spray painted it with red paint. Just cause they don't agree with something doesn't give them the right to vandelized something. They can disagree and voice there oppinion in other ways if you ask me.

[slayer]

i saw it spray painted this morning on the way to holy jim so i called gene to let him know. when i came back thru at 1 pm the sign had been taken down. i agree with gene, just because people don't agree with the event, they shouldn't vandalize the sign. bunch of a-holes.

[donkey]

Originally Posted by mtnbikej

Someone vandalized the sign.

That's kinda what I figured....thanks for the clarification.

B

[CPATCRASH]

I heard about the sign on Thursday but never saw it.

[maxwell]

Originally Posted by genusmtbkr5

No, someone spray painted it with red paint. Just cause they don't agree with something doesn't give them the right to vandelized something. They can disagree and voice there oppinion in other ways if you ask me.

Yeah that SUCKS!